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Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing – Google Cloud Run

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Re: Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing – Google Cloud Run

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Post by akudha »

spookthesunset wrote: post #154
moksly wrote: post #17

The thing I really want out of these services is the ability to set a payment cap. It’s probably never going to be an issue, but I have anxiety, and I can’t sleep easily knowing that if I fuck up, if someone sinister abuses my application or whatever I may be stuck with a giant bill.

A “cap” feature isn’t as easy to implement as you’d think. What happens when you hit the cap? Does it start shutting down instances? If yes, which ones and in what order? And don’t say “I don’t care” because you do care—you are allowing your provider to basically cause an outage in your service. If you do allow some kind of ordered shutdown of service, what is the UX going to look like? What is the API going to look…

What is the API going to look like?

Maybe just a simply array with the list of services to be shut down in the order provided? This should be enough for hobby and smaller projects, bigger projects will have plans/people in place anyway.

It is not that they can't do it - we are talking about a company with insane technical ability and resources. It is just that they don't want to do it.

Re: Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing – Google Cloud Run

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Post by zebnyc »

freehunter wrote: post #264
goostavos wrote: post #252

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+1 to just running something on a cheap Digital Ocean style box. In our modern cloud age, I think we've forgotten how much a single box can actually handle (and how few of us actually _need_ to "scale" from day one). Hacker News front page isn't really that much traffic in the grand scheme of things. My $5 DO instance handled it without a sweat. Hell, even "real" projects can still work under this approach. A $20/mo…

A few years ago I set up a $5 DO droplet with the Dokku image they provide. Years later it's still running all of my side projects in production, even though I moved from the $5/mo plan to the $20/mo plan as my business grew and my needs increased. I have 15 containers connected to 10 Postgres instances running right now handling tens of thousands of views per month for $20/mo, AND I have Heroku-like convenience to d…

Are you hosting the database on the same instance? Also, how are you doing automatic backups?

Thanks

Re: Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing – Google Cloud Run

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Post by tluyben2 »

mushufasa wrote: post #54
throwlaplace wrote: post #48

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wut? are you suggesting that if there's a cost overrun you just shutdown the LLC? that sounds like a loop that couldn't possibly be true? when you sign TOS you agree to be responsible for service fees. if being an LLC indemnifies against these sorts of charges it would also indemnify you against other legitimate fees? take out a business credit card and cash advance and then close the LLC? free money!

more or less, yes. bankruptcy courts vary by location. the whole point of a 'limited liability corporation' is you not being personally liable. BUT if you have 'malicious intent' -- meaning you build an llc on purpose to overrun costs and get free stuff, you CAN and WILL be sued and face penalties. cause that's just cut-and-dry fraud.

Companies are doing this all the time and not prosecuted (or prosecuted and not found guilty); they just do not make it obvious. So the ‘will’ is not that cut and dry really; even in countries where bankruptcies are not normal and frowned upon (like NL), there are many companies only created to spend money and killed off when it runs out. On paper they look like real businesses. Also it is not unusual to put employees in a separate llc and kill that when the money runs out; again that happens a lot, even with the intent of doing that. As long as it looks good on the outside, it works. I cannot stand it personally but there are not many solutions to resolve it; you cannot read the minds of the founders to get their real intentions.

Re: Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing – Google Cloud Run

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Post by zebnyc »

Aeolun wrote: post #305
unexaminedlife wrote: post #184

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I just did some math on their calculator: https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/ I think some folks may be overestimating their ability to put a dent in Google's infrastructure. 1 CPU 2GB memory 80 concurrent requests per container instance 1000ms execution time per request 5kb outbound network bandwidth per request 100 million requests per month $120.19 per month What if we bump it up to 100kb per request? In…

Just loading the Javascript for a basic React app is way over 100kb though.

Wouldn't it be better to do that over S3 / cloud storage? And would be much smaller once minified and compressed

Re: Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing – Google Cloud Run

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Post by tluyben2 »

Mirioron wrote: post #217
tnolet wrote: post #115

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Not sure what happened to your associate but this sounds way, way out there. I run a fairly resource intensive SaaS on AWS (lots of background jobs generating data) and we barely go over $600 a month. People should not be scared of by these anecdotes, however true they may be. It’s perfectly possible to run a very cost effective business on AWS.

It's possible to write bug-free code, but would you bet your financial future on your ability to write bug-free code?

Bug free is a not realistic but if you are a programmer and definitely if you are a tech founder you definitely should be willing to bet your financial future on writing reasonably low bug code.

If you are a programmer, I kind of find the comment puzzling; maybe I am reading you wrong, but you seem to be saying that you are writing code for some company while being happy to commit it and not care if the company loses money if your code is bad? As you would not bet on your work yourself, but you do not mind your employer paying you for it and as such betting some of it’s financial future on your work? Sorry if I misunderstood your comment.

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Post by gvjddbnvdrbv »

franga2000 wrote: post #303
chrischen wrote: post #277

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I think the issue is you aren’t paying for it, so you don’t own it. Paid hosted services cannot pull this crap.

Paid G suite can and does pull this crap. There was a comment on HN a year-ish ago, when someone's entire ~100 person company (almost?) went out of business because Google flagged the personal Gmail of the domain admin, this "spread" to their company email, Google closed it and losing the admin account made the entire domain get deleted. Not "blocked" or "pending review" - deleted! IIRC even pulling personal favors a…

Do you have a link to this story?

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Post by onion2k »

rocho wrote: post #300
franciscop wrote: post #105

I have used it for work-related reasons and indeed the service is quite nice. But I don't use Google Cloud Run for personal projects for two reasons: - No way of limiting the expenses AFAIK. I don't want the possibility of having a huge bill on my name that I cannot pay. This unfortunately applies to other clouds. - The risk of being locked out. For many, many reasons (including the above), you can get locked out of…

These are really non issues. You can create a new Google account and setup a limit for the number of instances and alerts. Also, show us how you would rack up a $100k bill for a side project that receives a traffic spike. It's simply not realistic.

I don't know how I would get a $100k bill from a spike. That ignorance is enough for me to avoid using the service - unless I know how the billing works, what my maximum monthly bill is going to be (with a hard limit that cannot be crossed), and exactly where all the gotchas are then I won't use the platform.

Auto-scaling magic is lovely in theory, but in practise it is hard.

Annecdata - a video streaming startup here in Newcastle that enabled DJs to stream live sets was used to illegally stream some football games. The subsequent bandwidth bill killed the startup. Yes, they got some things wrong with their tech, and security, but that's the danger that put's people off using "clever" services.

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Post by tluyben2 »

StillBored wrote: post #104
aamederen wrote: post #22

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Here's a story about why you are right to be anxious: https://hackernoon.com/how-we-spent-30k-usd-in-firebase-in-l...

These stories are everywhere. A couple months ago, it hit an associate of mine pretty hard, he moved a small python monitoring and statistics application off a laptop in the office to AWS. A couple weeks later he came back and discovered that it had burned up a few thousand $'s in storage and transfer fees for what normally was a couple hundred MBs of data a day being passed around and a some database updates. Since…

Virtual cards with limits are an answer to this. Works very well.

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Post by chipsa »

irq-1 wrote: post #196
deanmoriarty wrote: post #166

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I had the same thoughts: even if I like Google Cloud a lot (I use it extensively at work), I don’t feel it’s safe for me to use it at home, since I don’t want to risk having my entire google account locked due to “suspicious activity”, whatever that might mean. In fact, I recently shut down a personal App Engine service I had been using for myself for a few years just because of this paranoia. The service was not doi…

I ordered a phone from Google that's been lost in delivery. I have Gmail/documents/photos/music... Should I do a charge-back? Sue them in small claims court? I should never have done business with them.

Absolutely don't do a chargeback. They will lock out anything that requires payment, and possible more.

Re: Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing – Google Cloud Run

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Post by erdemozg »

nine_k wrote: post #296
franciscop wrote: post #105

I have used it for work-related reasons and indeed the service is quite nice. But I don't use Google Cloud Run for personal projects for two reasons: - No way of limiting the expenses AFAIK. I don't want the possibility of having a huge bill on my name that I cannot pay. This unfortunately applies to other clouds. - The risk of being locked out. For many, many reasons (including the above), you can get locked out of…

If I were to run any public-facing protect on Google Cloud, I definitely would use a separate account, created just for that. You never knows what might happen to that account. I thought everybody does this. I wonder how hard would it be to run a script that checks your balance e.g. every 15 minutes, and shuts down public access to your services when a certain threshold is triggered. I wonder if a ready-made service…

Google somehow is able to link your newly created account to your personal/regular account. So if you some shady stuff with the new account, your other account is at risk of being locked out, too.
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