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Post by jessaustin »

chillwaves wrote: post #270
whamlastxmas wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Hillary's use of a private email server was extremely illegal Ever single government entity with the power to rule on this has said otherwise. You are the one spreading "lies, propaganda and misinformation." Tell me, if Hillary broke so many laws, why wasn't she ever charged? You do realize there were multiple investigations that concluded it did not meet a level of criminality?

USA federal prosecution is an extremely capricious and unfair process. That HRC is wealthy enough to hire good lawyers is sufficient explanation for the fact that she was not charged. It may not be the only explanation...

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Post by whamlastxmas »

chillwaves wrote: post #270
whamlastxmas wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Hillary's use of a private email server was extremely illegal Ever single government entity with the power to rule on this has said otherwise. You are the one spreading "lies, propaganda and misinformation." Tell me, if Hillary broke so many laws, why wasn't she ever charged? You do realize there were multiple investigations that concluded it did not meet a level of criminality?

There is only a single government entity and it was led by a single person who had the authority to investigate and indict Hillary. That you are suggesting otherwise speaks to either your dishonesty in discussing this or lack of information. I explained why she wasn't charged. I'm done here.

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Post by MiroF »

refurb wrote: post #305
MiroF wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you watched the video itself?

I have. It seems like a tragedy of war, which unfortunately happens some times. I didn’t think it was some great revelation about the US military.

If random bombardment of civilians without a positive ID is standard operating procedure for the US military (and then concealing that the people killed were civilians until this information was leaked), then I would say that this was a revelation for me about the US military.

Then firing on the dad who stopped his car to try to help the civilians injured by our strike, killing him and injuring his kids? Yeah, I had no idea that medical assistance was no longer considered protected in war.

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Post by mam2 »

chillwaves wrote: post #270
whamlastxmas wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

> Hillary's use of a private email server was extremely illegal Ever single government entity with the power to rule on this has said otherwise. You are the one spreading "lies, propaganda and misinformation." Tell me, if Hillary broke so many laws, why wasn't she ever charged? You do realize there were multiple investigations that concluded it did not meet a level of criminality?

because the emails were deleted and there were no proof anymore of how sensitive it was. the deletion is a bigger crime

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Post by PappaPatat »

"Everybody has got a plan, until they're punched in the face." - Mike Tyson

The horrors of physical violence are not often understood by keyboard heros who feel superior within their bubble of close nit computer expert friends. But as soon as things become bloody, the skillset requirements drastically change. This happens to blackmarket vendors too. They get lured into some AFK situation and quickly become victims of much less smart, yet truly hardened criminals.

Good luck hacking your way out of that.

Julian will (most likely, I have 0 contact with him) be in a most awful place with the whole "legally" allowed shit storm hitting him where it hurts. Not a place where smart skinny people flourish.

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Post by refurb »

MiroF wrote: post #313
refurb wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have. It seems like a tragedy of war, which unfortunately happens some times. I didn’t think it was some great revelation about the US military.

If random bombardment of civilians without a positive ID is standard operating procedure for the US military (and then concealing that the people killed were civilians until this information was leaked), then I would say that this was a revelation for me about the US military. Then firing on the dad who stopped his car to try to help the civilians injured by our strike, killing him and injuring his kids? Yeah, I had…

I guess it’s the context.

Being in the company of armed men who aren’t friendly forces while US forces are under fire in close proximity seems like a bad idea as well t wouldn’t be unreasonable to assume you are hostile forces.

And as for the ambulance - “The van had no visible markings to suggest it was an ambulance or a protected vehicle”

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by MiroF »

refurb wrote: post #316
MiroF wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If random bombardment of civilians without a positive ID is standard operating procedure for the US military (and then concealing that the people killed were civilians until this information was leaked), then I would say that this was a revelation for me about the US military. Then firing on the dad who stopped his car to try to help the civilians injured by our strike, killing him and injuring his kids? Yeah, I had…

I guess it’s the context. Being in the company of armed men who aren’t friendly forces while US forces are under fire in close proximity seems like a bad idea as well t wouldn’t be unreasonable to assume you are hostile forces. And as for the ambulance - “The van had no visible markings to suggest it was an ambulance or a protected vehicle”

> US forces are under fire in close proximity

I'd be curious how close the proximity was. What I've read indicated that somewhere in that region, and somewhere earlier in the day, they had been under fire. If US forces were under fire in that area recently, it seems like it'd make sense for the journalists to bring security with them.

> “The van had no visible markings to suggest it was an ambulance or a protected vehicle”

Sure, but you can see that all they were doing was collecting the injured.

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Post by refurb »

MiroF wrote: post #317
refurb wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it’s the context. Being in the company of armed men who aren’t friendly forces while US forces are under fire in close proximity seems like a bad idea as well t wouldn’t be unreasonable to assume you are hostile forces. And as for the ambulance - “The van had no visible markings to suggest it was an ambulance or a protected vehicle”

> US forces are under fire in close proximity I'd be curious how close the proximity was. What I've read indicated that somewhere in that region, and somewhere earlier in the day, they had been under fire. If US forces were under fire in that area recently, it seems like it'd make sense for the journalists to bring security with them. > “The van had no visible markings to suggest it was an ambulance or a protected ve…

Not arguing your perspective isn’t valid, just sharing my own.

From the Wikipedia article it seems to state that the armed men were in an area where shooting had come from before and were in the path of oncoming soldiers.

And in terms of loading injured people, the enemy does pick up their own injured. My understanding is unless you’re clearly marked as medical personnel, you’ll be regarded as hostile.

Can clearly see where the concern comes from, but at least my own perspective is that it’s not that unusual in war.

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Post by whamlastxmas »

mam2 wrote: post #314
chillwaves wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hillary's use of a private email server was extremely illegal Ever single government entity with the power to rule on this has said otherwise. You are the one spreading "lies, propaganda and misinformation." Tell me, if Hillary broke so many laws, why wasn't she ever charged? You do realize there were multiple investigations that concluded it did not meet a level of criminality?

because the emails were deleted and there were no proof anymore of how sensitive it was. the deletion is a bigger crime

There were flagrant violations in the handling of classified documents even in the emails that weren't deleted. Violations that would send anyone else to jail.

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Post by droithomme »

foldr wrote: post #296
boomboomsubban wrote: post #295

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>There were additional files she was interested in leaking that she did not have access to. She then obtained the password hash of an account that did have access This is where this breaks down. The account in question was a generic local Windows admin account, and she already had the same level of access as the desired account. It was only attempted to hide her identity. This is clearly laid out as what happened in…

>It was only attempted to hide her identity. This makes no difference, legally speaking. Assange was still helping her to gain unauthorized access to a computer system. This is like giving bank robbers ski masks in full knowledge that they're going to use the ski masks to hide their identities during a robbery. You're still an accessory. It's no defense to say "Oh, I wasn't helping them to gain access to the vault, I…

> Assange was still helping her to gain unauthorized access to a computer system.

No, the evidence doesn't show that and it's not been proven. Stop stating it is a fact, that is disingenuous.

Hey foldr, I got a password hash here $1$O3JMY.Tw$AdLnLjQ/5jXF9.MTp3gHv/

Try to crack that for me, it's a password to a system. Did you do it? Did you crack it?

If you say yes: you committed a crime.

According to your legal theory, if you now here say "no", you also committed also a crime since you admitted to helping me gain unauthorized access to a computer system. That is the argument you are making. It's a ridiculous argument and wouldn't stand before a jury, only before a secret national security court with no jury and the judges are all military.

Oh wait it gets worse, we don't even know who foldr is. Turns out that several different people have used this account over time and there's no evidence who was using the account when they said "No."

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