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Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Very relevant context for what they are looking for can be found not in Jack's thread but Parag's thread: https://twitter.com/paraga/status/1204766188074459136?s=19 This rules out a lot of existing projects. IMO rules out AP, SSB, Matrix, etc

Specifically...? Small group vs Consensus building? Requirement for monetization mechanism and incentives?

I found the answer in your twitter thread: https://twitter.com/i/status/1204847952134656000

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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(Breaking out this sentence into blocks because it's very large.) The specification as-written is really, really bad (though I don't think this is a fault of the protocol), Synapse is kind of...and work on Dendrite seems to have mostly stalled, the billion people signed up on matrix.org has allowed for a sort of de facto centralization (not a huge problem, though in practice it sort of is, given how much the server b…

Others have better responses to the rest of these points; many of them are still significant issues though a lot has progressed over the last couple years. I can preempt one though by saying alternatives to Synapse like https://github.com/matrix-construct/construct are probably something more aligned with your interests. (disclosure: I started the project with kaniini). After more than two years in and around this sp…

> I'd take Matrix with all^wmost its flaws over ActivityPub

protocol-wise, which flaws are currently the most egregious from your pov? (i.e. `all - most = ?`) (And if any are security issues, please chuck them to security@)

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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I operate an open source standard called Shareable Tweets http://2fb.me A service designed to get tweets to a larger audience. But Twitter banned the account that was working to put this standard into practice @shareU Ironically Twitter has been, historically; the most restrictive force in social media.

MCC did a great job bringing up Twitter's awful record on open APIs in a reply: https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/1204807272226082817

While I'm all for open standards and protocols, Twitter has proven itself hostile to 3rd party developers. Even if their proposals are good Twitter has a long way to go to prove themselves trustworthy participants in open networks.

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"the value of social media is shifting away from content hosting and removal, and towards recommendation algorithms directing one’s attention" I really wish I could hack on the youtube recommendation algorithm. It seems to be tuned for zombie viewing pleasure, and totally not for finding surprising new content. Even just having several "personas" would be a big help.

You are what you consume, and this algorithm (above all others) chooses what our next generations will be made of.

It should be federally mandated to enforce education.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Thank you for saying this. ActivityPub is so wrong in so many ways, and still people keep pushing it as if it was a silver bullet. I think people who talk about it and think it's very good never tried to understand it or write something with it.

I don't think people are pushing ActivityPub as a silver bullet, so much as they're using it as "the currently-available and less-awful alternative to closed silos". If someone is starving, they're not going to hold out for a gourmet cheesecake that's a year away from being made. They'll happily take an immediately-available baked potato instead.

People are pushing AP as a silver bullet. Look at this thread! Twitter is funding work to be done in more than an year and people are saying that should just use AP.

And that analogy doesn't make any sense.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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They should at the very least evaluate ActivityPub. It's a W3C standard that reached "Recommended" status almost two years ago, is flexible enough for future use-cases, and already has multiple implementations like Mastodon. In fact, any app can be made to act as a source, sink or both of ActivityPub events. I recently added ActivityPub support to learnawesome.org so that reviews can be consumed in any ActivityPub cl…

I thought the W3C has been captured by corporations?

Not really? From my perspective as an outside observer, the WHATWG is the one built/captured by corporations. The W3C gave up and agrees now that the HTML spec is mostly just whatever WHATWG says it is, but that's partly because the W3C seems more interested in putting time/money/effort into standardizing things where they are wanted such as ActivityPub.

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> If unlike Facebook, they can share blame with other actors, they won't singlehandedly be responsible for political mayhem, so there won't be calls to break up Twitter. I don't buy this. Nothing is going to change from the user perspective, and almost nobody in the grand scheme of things will likely be aware of this open standard anyway, let alone people working in government. I don't see how this will change the pu…

well it would solve problems for all the people who really do want to use a different / better social network or chat app but cant get their friends to switch too, killing the idea on arrival. that would change perception of social media, because it'd allow every host-site could be distinct to their targeted users' qualities as a group, but maintain connections to everyone in their lives. i mean, you arent really say…

Maybe I'm being cynical, but I'm skeptical that whatever "open standard" Twitter is working on will achieve that utopian future you're dreaming of. In practice, I think the vast majority of people won't even know it exists and will continue to exclusively use their preferred platform (Twitter, Facebook, whatever) despite all the issues with it. The idea of being able to move all of your content to another social network at a whim, with all your connections undisturbed, is (IMO) simply never going to be something that your average user does, no matter how technically feasible it is.

Hopefully I'm wrong and I'm not giving enough credit to social media users in aggregate.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Twitter and Facebook and Google and others share one common concern that, if addressed, would see their staffing budgets massively reduced (and thus profits increased): Human moderators. Each grudgingly uses human moderators to squash the worst of the problems on their platform, and does a terrible job of it. Each underspends on human beings, using contractors without sufficient mental health care to ensure their wel…

Microsoft and Gmail make a lot of money from the email protocol, despite the fact that they don't moderate it. Is this immoral?
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