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Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by cletus »

malvosenior wrote: post #190
cletus wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a user I should have complete control over what runs on my machine. You do. By running Firefox. This level of control might be useful to you but it's not to most users. As much as power users chafe against things like the App Store, for example, this is clearly a win for most users. Limiting what a malicious extension could do is very much the same because I can guarantee you there are scams to get users to inst…

So it’s safe to say that people are not being alarmist about Google and should switch to Firefox. I don’t think it’s “clear” at all that most users benefit from monopolistic app store practices. I think the giant tech companies do though.

"Should"? I wouldn't go that far. I will say however that people are the uproar is somewhat overblown for three simple reasons:

1. Google wants people to use Chrome. It's clearly of benefit to them (and, for the most part, to users, at least for now);

2. Alternatives exist; and

3. Switching to an alternative is essentially trivial.

This just isn't a Microsoft Windows monopoly situation.

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Post by dessant »

jefftk wrote: post #306
BurnGpuBurn wrote: post #112

The biggest advertising company in history tries to kill blocking advertisements in their browser? How am I not surprised. I bet this move is also to kill the workings of extensions like DecentralEyes and others that try to protect users from being tracked. The whole changing of the API into a "sure we'll block that URL for ya, sometimes maybe" model reeks of increasing user tracking. They'll work out the kinks to le…

Would anyone like to make a bet on whether ad blocking will still work in Chrome in two years? Something like "if you visit the top ten publishers in the US in Chrome Desktop with the best ad blocker will you see more ads than if you use Firefox Desktop with the best ad blocker"? (Disclosure: I work at Google, not on Chrome, and don't have any inside information on this)

Vanilla ad blocking will continue to work because companies that participate in Acceptable Ads [1] will be happy to implement restricted ad blocking, such as Eyeo with Adblock Plus, while advanced and effective ad blocking that is not funded by advertising companies, like what uBlock Origin offers, will become impossible in Chrome.

Meanwhile a bunch of unrelated extensions will be killed, the ones that rely on modifying requests and which have nothing to do with ad blocking. Innovation around extensions that involves modifying requests will be halted, and everyone will suffer as a result, except Google.

Crooks will have continued and easy access to user data, since Manifest v3 is not focused on protecting user privacy.

I can bet on that.

[1] https://acceptableads.com/en/

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Post by zeven7 »

Razengan wrote: post #255
rusk wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

has anyone else noticed a marked decline in the quality of Google search results over the last 12 months? I swear, around about 2011 I thought Google was going to become self aware but it's declined from that high-point to a point where duckduckgo has become a viable alternative for more than just reasons of privacy. Which is a great thing! Turns out "Don't be Evil" was more than just a feel-good marketing slogan. It…

> has anyone else noticed a marked decline in the quality of Google search results over the last 12 months? I noticed this since around 3-4 years ago. It seems to be based on region. Quotes get ignored. Even very specific queries about X prioritize clickbait junk like "TOP 10 X!!" I THINK they might be anti-competitive too; searching for particular Apple APIs is sometimes more miss than hit, though that might be beca…

> Like searching for "iPhone" literally presented an ad for the Samsung Galaxy at the top, for a while.

That's how ads work. If Samsung pays more money than Apple to show ads to people searching for "iPhone", then people will see Samsung ads.

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Post by eitland »

nsomaru wrote: post #113

First we started telling everyone about Firefox Then we told them about Chrome Now we tell them about Firefox again Google has officially reached 90s MS levels

I've been adding #chromeIsTheNewIE to related posts for a while. As someone who worked at the end of IEs dominance that feels spot on:

- lots of developers not caring at all

- businesses being businesses caring that we don't spend time on it

- ordinary people not caring even when the alternative is in another league

We got some work ahead. Hopefully Mozilla won't mess up too much during the next few months/years and then we might pull it off again.

And feel free to reuse the hashtag above : )

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Post by neuronic »

Spare_account wrote: post #239
neuronic wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What lists are you using, which avoiding? My use of pihole constantly disrupted basic services such as Sonos. I can certainly find the URL culprits and resolve it, but I got tired of constantly doing so...

I have Sonos kit and a pi-hole. I use the default lists plus the ticked lists from this site: https://firebog.net/ I have no issues with my Sonos equipment - I use a local MP3 library, a Spotify subscription and TuneIn Radio all without any issues. What problems did you have?

In case of Sonos - the speakers disconnected all the time. Taking off pihole completely solved the issue. I did not check for possible problematic URLs on the blacklists though.

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Post by calciphus »

pen2l wrote: post #305

This is not as terrifying to me as the other news brought to my attention by a post in today's Reddit's r/YSK, that if you use Adblock, your gmail can be closed. In the new TOS of Youtube [1], it states that if your account is not deemed commercially viable, your Google account (i.e. your Gmail, your Google Photos, your Google Drive, etc.) can be closed down: YouTube may terminate your access, or your Google account’…

> YouTube may terminate your access, or your Google account’s access to all or part of the Service if YouTube believes, in its sole discretion, that provision of the Service to you is no longer commercially viable.

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Post by Razengan »

zeven7 wrote: post #313
Razengan wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> has anyone else noticed a marked decline in the quality of Google search results over the last 12 months? I noticed this since around 3-4 years ago. It seems to be based on region. Quotes get ignored. Even very specific queries about X prioritize clickbait junk like "TOP 10 X!!" I THINK they might be anti-competitive too; searching for particular Apple APIs is sometimes more miss than hit, though that might be beca…

> Like searching for "iPhone" literally presented an ad for the Samsung Galaxy at the top, for a while. That's how ads work. If Samsung pays more money than Apple to show ads to people searching for "iPhone", then people will see Samsung ads.

I'm curious then; would Google list Firefox and other competing services before their own?

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Post by kyrra »

pen2l wrote: post #305

This is not as terrifying to me as the other news brought to my attention by a post in today's Reddit's r/YSK, that if you use Adblock, your gmail can be closed. In the new TOS of Youtube [1], it states that if your account is not deemed commercially viable, your Google account (i.e. your Gmail, your Google Photos, your Google Drive, etc.) can be closed down: YouTube may terminate your access, or your Google account’…

I think it depends on how "the Service" is defined. As "Service" is capitalized, it is likely defined in the TOS, and may only apply to Youtube (not Google as a whole). So I believe you (and the redditor) are reading that passage incorrectly.

(IANAL, and I have no clue if what I said is right).

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Post by haberman »

pen2l wrote: post #305

This is not as terrifying to me as the other news brought to my attention by a post in today's Reddit's r/YSK, that if you use Adblock, your gmail can be closed. In the new TOS of Youtube [1], it states that if your account is not deemed commercially viable, your Google account (i.e. your Gmail, your Google Photos, your Google Drive, etc.) can be closed down: YouTube may terminate your access, or your Google account’…

I find that very worryingly vague. In my reading though, that only applies to YouTube itself ("the Service"). It seems to be saying that your Google account can lose access to YouTube, not that you can lose access to your Google account.

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Post by vetinari »

ifdefdebug wrote: post #192
frabert wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no, he doesn't think they are stupid, just that they don't know the difference between browsers. If my mechanic mounted a new transmission or something that wasn't the same brand as the one mounted before, and told me "it's the new version", I couldn't care less as long as it worked as intended. I don't know anything about transmissions, so from my point of view I have no way of knowing if what he's telling me is…

If my mechanic mounted a new transmission from another brand without telling me beforehand that he intended to do so, and I found out later, then I would immediately lose all trust in such a mechanic.

In automotive, there's a rich third-party ecosystem of replacement parts manufacturers.

Even the original vehicle manufacturer might purchase the parts from several of them.

You, as an typical end-user, have practically no chance to find out, whether the replacement part is "original" or not.

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