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Nuclear is how you spell winning in French. Clean green limitless power.
Until it fails and the surrounding environment and people are destroyed for generations.
That's why they're building ITER.
Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands
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Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands
#312Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can reduce CO2 emissions from an internal combustion by making it more efficient, but there is not way you can ever bring it down to zero. Thus if you want to ever get to zero, you need to electrify the transport. We can produce synthetic fuel, but it will be very hard to reach the kind of volumes we have for fossil fuels, hence synthetic fuels should only be used for long range trucks, airplanes etc. All transpo…
> You can reduce CO2 emissions from an internal combustion by making it more efficient, but there is not way you can ever bring it down to zero. You can bring the net environmental impact of CO2 to zero by using a fuel with a carbon neutral cycle, such as biofuels; if you are regrowing as much source material as you are consuming, there is no net emission. > Thus if you want to ever get to zero, you need to electrify…
Why bother with plants if you can cover the desert with solar panels?
Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands
#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
In UK and Norther europe solar is of minimal use, so the situation is reverse. Night time electricity is cheapest.
I am not talking about cheap but about pollution. As more cars go electric it would be better if the car charging is done at peak solar. UK is getting out of europe with brexit but the other remaining countries are connecting their grids with each other so even northern european countries would be using more solar even without having much sunlight
Price is low because there is unused power.
Many powerplants run thought the night because they cannot be turned on and off. The most polluting time to use the grid is during peak demand in the evening, when every powerplant has to be brought online, even the most polluting ones.
Northern Europe relies on Wind, not Solar for renewable energy. Yes, we are integratingg powergrid, but you can't pull 100 GW from Spain to UK. Yhat would require absolutely monstrous infrastructure.
What your assertion for night time charging based on?
Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands
#314Tesla also has a final assembly plant in the Netherlands[1], nominally making the brand "native" (like Volvo before them). That usually results in better brand recognition and higher sales as well. I recently saw a post on social media where someone couldn't go to the dentist because the car was updating software. From the discussion I understand there is a "grace period" of 2 weeks before automatic updates, and that…
> Tesla also has a final assembly plant in the Netherlands[1]
It's five years old; hardly warrants "finally". It is also not used for this purpose (assembly to avoid tariffs) with the more mass-market Model 3.
> I recently saw a post on social media where someone couldn't go to the dentist because the car was updating software.
A moron or liar. The software doesn't update on its own, requires explicit action by the user - and warns you how long it's going to take to do the update.
> It was also mentioned that basic braking and steering functionality were also dependent on updatable software
As in pretty much any modern car…
> making it unsafe to use it as a regular car when a software update is occurring.
It is impossible to install updates while driving. A bit of common sense, please - _no_ car manufacturer is incompetent enough to update the software while the vehicle is in use.
Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands
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That really reinforces the root comment's point about fashions in vehicle choice / driving what everyone else does being the 'safe option'. The countries most similar in culture and affluence to the US don't seem to buy those passenger utility vehicles and passenger cars in nearly the same proportions, so fashion looks like a big part of vehicle choice.
There are two things that drive the popularity of small SUVs/Crossovers in the US. First, gas is cheap: $2.50 a gallon vs ~$5.50 a gallon in the EU. One can get the benefit of more space and safety without paying an energy penalty. Second, the average household size is 3.1 in the US vs 2.3 in the EU. 22% of US households have 4 or more people. There is a demand for larger cars to carry more people.
how come americans have much bigger families than europeans? is it due to a higher immigration % of the general population or do "native" americans have more children than europeans?
I was under the impression children per woman correlates pretty well to economic development.
Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands
#316As someone who lived in Amsterdam for one year (I'm originally from Israel) I was extremely impressed by how the government create a solid infrastructure for electric car owners to charge their car batteries.
That sounds a bit like they are solving rich people's problems
Rich people's problems? More like the problems of the ones who are currently pedaling through the clouds of toxic exhaust.
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#317Earlier quoted context omitted.
Note that every other auto manufacturers has multiple models that they offer in the 'upper-middle-range sedan' price range. Tesla offers one. Of course its per-model numbers are going to be higher, compared to its marketshare.
An equivalent perspective would be that their marketshare will increase significantly when they introduce more models. An "SUV" (crossover) and a pickup.
They already have an SUV. Its called the Model X.
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#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also bringing the necessary capacity for proper charging to the average underground parking of a building costs tens of thousands of Euros per parking spot (numbers I got from the electricity distribution company). That's an investment most people are simply not willing to make especially when renting. What would be the reason for people to oppose developing the grid, especially as NIMBY? Other than the obvious cost…
If they quoted you that much money, it sounds like there's a market there ready for disruption. 10k Euros is far too much, especially when you can do the job for many parking spots at once.
To be clear I was referring to shared parking with multiple spots. Where I live one underground parking is spanning multiple houses (I go from the parking directly inside), and there are maybe 3 or 4 in total. The provider would do the work "once and for all", considering everything from replacing the transformers for the additional power, to digging up the trenches and installing the upgraded cabling everywhere, and to every parking spot 11KW charger. The assumption behind this is that all the vehicles in the parking might end up charging at the same time (over night) so everything has to be sized for that.
The electricity provider normally sells the charger with installation for ~2500E. But that is assuming the end-to-end wiring already supports this. With dozens of chargers to install in the same parking the chances that the rest of the network was already so overspeced and up to the task are slim.
The manpower to dig a trench, replace cables and transformers is more or less the same whether you do do it for 10 parking spots or 100. So there's probably a sweet spot between having enough demand to split this between more people but not that much that you need the next level in transformers.
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#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
An equivalent perspective would be that their marketshare will increase significantly when they introduce more models. An "SUV" (crossover) and a pickup.
They already have an SUV. Its called the Model X.
1. Model X sales aren't great, compared to SUV vs sedan sales for other manufactuers.
2. Other manufacturers have multiple mid-range sedan models. Honda has the Civic, the Insight, the Accord, the Clarity, and the Fit hatchback. Their sales are being split across five different low-mid-range models. Tesla has one. Toyota has the Yaris, the Corolla, the Prius, the Camry, the Avalon, and if you're some kind of lunatic, who for some insane reason wants a hydrogen fuel cell car, the Mirai. Again, for other auto manufacturers, sales in the same price/specs/form factor are split across five different models.
3. There's no reason to believe that five different Tesla sedan models are going to lead to anywhere close to 5x the demand. I mean, maybe if 4 of them are ICEs...
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#320Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s no surprise, since Norwegian government heavily penalizes ICE vehicles, and advantages the electric cars. No VAT, no CO2 tax, and lots of other incentives are involved. If your goal is to upgrade your country’s vehicle fleet to electric, then Norway is a good example that with enough government spending it can happen. Don’t mistake it for “normal people jumping onboard electric train”, though, they are jumping…
Also, price of gas is 2.5x higher in Norway than somewhere like the USA. If you're in the USA and fill your tank once a week, you probably spend ~$2000/yr in gas. And that's how much you'd save in gas if you went electric. In areas with higher fuel prices, the incentive is proportionally larger. (That's ignoring the cost of paying your electric bill, not sure if that changes the math much..)
Here in the Netherlands electricity is 25 cents per kWh and up to 59 cents per kWh for a fast charger next to the highway, if you don't have a subscription with them. Some chargers also have a starting cost and/or parking fees included. The 59 cents is close to what a fuel efficient diesel costs.
In the future you will only get 8 cents per kWh for what your solar panels generate and put back into the grid. At that point charging your car will be a very good proposition, because you are practically filling it with 8 cents per kWh.