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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by FireBeyond »

xedeon wrote: post #304
FireBeyond wrote: post #269

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Current cars that have lane centering and steering at all speeds: * All Acura models * All Audi models * BMW 5/6/7/X3/X4 * Cadillac CT6 * Ford Edge * All Honda models (mostly at higher speed) * ... and so on. Source: https://www.cars.com/articles/which-cars-have-self-driving-f... This notion, particularly among Tesla owners, that active lane centering and steering is a Tesla exclusive, is at times wilfully blindered,…

> This notion, particularly among Tesla owners, that active lane centering and steering is a Tesla exclusive, is at times wilfully blindered, to the obnoxious. Autopilot is more than just "active lane centering and steering" (known as LKAS) Autopilot is a combination of a lot of things (TACC + Autosteer + Auto Lane Change + Auto Lane Keep + NOA etc...) Autosteer is also way ahead of everything else out there right no…

> Autopilot is more then just "active lane centering and steering" (known as LKAS) Autopilot is a combination of a lot of things (TACC + Autosteer + Auto Lane Change + Auto Lane Keep + NOA etc...)

Yes, it is. The parent just made a dismissive, " Does it steer and lane center in general, besides when you drift out of lane?", implying that other cars don't.

Other cars also have other features beyond LKAS, too. That's just the focus of this article.

> For example, I am yet to see so other cars perform in conditions like this:

"Removed because there's no way to verify it was actually autopilot performing the maneuver. We are going to make a rule where future dashcam autopilot vids will be removed."

> Yeah mostly an extra option and costs $$$. Basic autopilot and a ton of safety features are FREE on Tesla.

And basic intelligent services and safety are free/standard on most new cars too. While advanced features might cost money, so too does advanced autopilot on a Tesla too, so let's not act like there's that much of a difference. What are some of these "basic safety features" that are free on a Tesla that "other manufacturers [pathetically] charge for"?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

londons_explore wrote: post #238
skywhopper wrote: post #231

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But they are spending money and time on the engineers who are adding those features to the car, and on testing and integrating those with the rest of the software. Is that the best way to be spending their money?

Integrating that game was probably 'free', because I bet the game developer paid to have Tesla distribute their game as advertising. That's why you only get the first level.

Exactly. For example, it was announced during E3 that the the game developers (StudioMDHR) from Cuphead helped port it. Also: https://twitter.com/StudioMDHR/status/1177305158470029314

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Post by SECProto »

DevoidSimo wrote: post #293
SECProto wrote: post #250

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Having driven a car with Toyota's smart driving features... I view them as a negative. Cruise control keeps me too far back from whatever vehicle is in front of me. Dealbreaker with no clear way to disable. I'll stick with my 7 year old Yaris (which also has shitty Bluetooth)

I rented one once, you can adjust the follow distance for the adaptive cruise control. Annoyingly it resets each time you turn on the car though.

In my experience, none of them are a reasonable distance back. If it gave an audible chime first or something, it would be fine.

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Post by xedeon »

FireBeyond wrote: post #279
xedeon wrote: post #168

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> I mean, alright, but a five month wait time for a repair after an accident is completely unacceptable. It sure is, but OP was implying that it's the majority when it clearly isn't. I know that was a big issue in Norway but I have not seen owners posting those complaints lately, so it might have been resolved?

In one sentence, "it clearly isn't", and in the next sentence "it was a big issue"?

Read between the lines carefully. I mentioned that it was a "big issue in Norway". Last I checked, "majority" is the entire market.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by grecy »

threeseed wrote: post #306
smileysteve wrote: post #135

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Legally, they kind of do.

In most places in the world they have a generic law used to cover behaviour that everyone knows is wrong but isn't explicitly illegal. For example in Australia we have a 'reckless driving' law which would definitely cover the case of you ignoring parking lot rules. Likewise if you had an incident I doubt your insurance company would honor the claim.

You'll find that 99% of parking lots are legally private property, and as such road rules DO NOT legally apply.

Those stop signs IN a parking lot? They legally mean nothing. Police can not give you a ticket for not stopping.

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Post by jfoster »

Shivetya wrote: post #199
tidepod12 wrote: post #109

Bit of a bad look that the video clip showing Smart Summon shows the Tesla driving the wrong direction down a one-way lane... This might be a situation where Tesla Smart Summon works only when Tesla's are still rare. In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video.

Owner of a Tesla model 3. Summon is the canary in the coal mine. As in, unless it shows signs of life then the fairy tale of self driving cars is just that, a fairy tale. If they cannot get a safe an accurate summon to work why should I ever believe my car will ever drive on its own. Do I believe it will come, not for years. My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign, maybe version 10 will help on that. I doubt i…

If manufacturers were to listen to this type of opinion, autonomous vehicles would never happen. You presume to know more about Tesla's capabilities than Tesla do. Their track record is one of proving critics wrong. Not always perfectly on time, by their own admission. If you look at everything they've done so far I think it's foolish to presume they won't be delivering on FSD.

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Post by xedeon »

xvector wrote: post #264
binaryblitz wrote: post #213

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I rented a model three for a week long trip, and while I understand some of your frustrations, a lot of them are not the norm from my experience. Both speed limit sign detection, and self driving on the freeway worked flawlessly for me. I guess YMMV.

A lot of them are the norm. These are the most common complaints amongst Tesla users and they’ve gone unaddressed for far too long.

I've been a Tesla owner since 2015 and I frequent pretty much all of the online forums and I will tell you that those are not the norms.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by revscat »

bradlys wrote: post #297
bobsil1 wrote: post #273

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No throttle lag, way more torque, quiet, silent, no loss of range and no CO2 while sitting in traffic jam… ICE just feels intolerable after.

If you have had a Z06 (like the person posted) then you're familiar with big torque. (It has 650lbft) Similarly with any literbike in the last 10 years or what not... Just roll the throttle and you'll overtake anything in any gear. I feel like the traffic jam stuff isn't about driving - that's about commuting. I can't imagine being in a dead silent car all the time. It's not like they're dead silent anyway - you hear…

Yeah, but you’re helping to get the world off of oil.

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Post by kemiller »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #276
leesec wrote: post #236

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Yeah so I don't care about the blutooth because my car DRIVES ITSELF a big percent of the time. it's fundamentally changed how I view driving. Stop and Go traffic no longer makes me mad. Road trips no longer exhaust me. There's probably some issues but none that I care about. It feels like driving the future. It's an absolute joy to drive. No gas stations is pretty nice too.

> Yeah so I don't care about the blutooth because my car DRIVES ITSELF a big percent of the time. See, this worries me. Almost all of the Model 3 owners I know tell me that not supporting bluetooth features isn't a big deal because they can safely use their phone while driving. This is completely false. When I last drove in a friend's Model 3 he had to make several manual corrections while using auto pilot on Califor…

I don’t think that was the implication. It’s that Tesla is focused on hitting the high order bits and so has earned a little forgiveness about smaller things.
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