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Re: Estimates that mineral levels in vegetables have dropped by up to 90% since 1914

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Post by mikelyons » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 5:40 PM UTC

zepto wrote: post #308

mikelyons wrote: post #307

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It sounds like you have no experience with cocaine, and no experience with psychedelics ... I can understand this position coming from ignorance, so I don't blame you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TazyFTavMyA

Firstly you are just wrong. I have experience of both, especially psychedelics, and I am familiar with and have been involved in research on the topic. Secondly, your reasoning is clearly impaired because you drew a conclusion for which you obviously don’t have any facts to support. Thirdly, you lept to defend an ungrounded claim that a particular drug experience gives access to spiritual truth. Temporary distortions…

Like I said, this also appears to be the result of you not validating things in your direct experience and instead relying on dogma. This is an example of false skepticism, rather than True skepticism. More info if you're open-minded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kzZdps9PG4

Re: Estimates that mineral levels in vegetables have dropped by up to 90% since 1914

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Post by zepto » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 7:06 PM UTC

mikelyons wrote: post #311

zepto wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firstly you are just wrong. I have experience of both, especially psychedelics, and I am familiar with and have been involved in research on the topic. Secondly, your reasoning is clearly impaired because you drew a conclusion for which you obviously don’t have any facts to support. Thirdly, you lept to defend an ungrounded claim that a particular drug experience gives access to spiritual truth. Temporary distortions…

Like I said, this also appears to be the result of you not validating things in your direct experience and instead relying on dogma. This is an example of false skepticism, rather than True skepticism. More info if you're open-minded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kzZdps9PG4

Are you familiar with the research on psychedelics?

Here is another extremely respected commentator who expresses skepticism: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/09/10/ssc-journal-club-relax...

Do you dismiss Scott Alexander as a false skeptic also?

Also - that dude in your video is presenting a false dichotomy and no true Scotsman fallacy in order to market himself an authority on personal development. I’d be careful with that stuff because it’s classic cult leader behavior. Having a ready dismissal for threatening ideas generally does not make us smarter.

Having looked at your bio I feel compassion for you, since I think you are sincere, and it seems like your desire for enlightenment and healing are being exploited.

Re: Estimates that mineral levels in vegetables have dropped by up to 90% since 1914

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Post by mikelyons » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 7:48 PM UTC

zepto wrote: post #312

mikelyons wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like I said, this also appears to be the result of you not validating things in your direct experience and instead relying on dogma. This is an example of false skepticism, rather than True skepticism. More info if you're open-minded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kzZdps9PG4

Are you familiar with the research on psychedelics? Here is another extremely respected commentator who expresses skepticism: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/09/10/ssc-journal-club-relax... Do you dismiss Scott Alexander as a false skeptic also? Also - that dude in your video is presenting a false dichotomy and no true Scotsman fallacy in order to market himself an authority on personal development. I’d be careful wi…

You're obviously ignorant to the material, there are 2 videos that expound on what cults are and how cults work. You wont have a proper understanding until you can try on the content for more than just a few hours, with the attitude of open mindedness. Yes, I will dismiss any arguments that are obviously false skepticism. You have to validate psychedelics in your direct experience. I appreciate your compassion, but I implore you to examine the implicit metaphysics and default position you are coming from.

Re: Estimates that mineral levels in vegetables have dropped by up to 90% since 1914

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Post by mikelyons » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 7:50 PM UTC

zepto wrote: post #160

mikelyons wrote: post #124

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I'm talking about psychedelic induced direct experiences of the point of life as utter selflessness and infinite love.

Weird that it requires a special compound to give you a direct experience of this. You’d think that if the point of life was selflessness and love, this would be more obvious. Also, what do you think of the people whose medicine comes from the coca plant, who have direct experience that the point of life is greed and self-satisfaction?

the concept of "a special compound" is something you made up. It takes a special compound to experience numbness of your teeth for dental work, does that mean the numbness is something that takes away from the value of the dental work or the protection from pain? Watch the videos that correct the stigma of psychedelics and see the human history of them.

Re: Estimates that mineral levels in vegetables have dropped by up to 90% since 1914

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Post by zepto » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 9:23 PM UTC

mikelyons wrote: post #313

zepto wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you familiar with the research on psychedelics? Here is another extremely respected commentator who expresses skepticism: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/09/10/ssc-journal-club-relax... Do you dismiss Scott Alexander as a false skeptic also? Also - that dude in your video is presenting a false dichotomy and no true Scotsman fallacy in order to market himself an authority on personal development. I’d be careful wi…

You're obviously ignorant to the material, there are 2 videos that expound on what cults are and how cults work. You wont have a proper understanding until you can try on the content for more than just a few hours, with the attitude of open mindedness. Yes, I will dismiss any arguments that are obviously false skepticism. You have to validate psychedelics in your direct experience. I appreciate your compassion, but I…

“You have to validate psychedelics in your direct experience”

Can you not consider the possibility that I have done so, and I have examined the implicit metaphysics and have come to the conclusion that the experience offers a valuable perspective but not one which is privileged in its truth?

You seem unable to consider this possibility, instead only being able to imagine that because my view is not what you think it should be, I must be ignorant.