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Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by cageface »

dsl wrote: post #140
8ytecoder wrote: post #105

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WTF, most animals that are farmed are fed agricultural produce - crops that are cultivated. It's simple math that it's inefficient to grow crops -> feed the animals -> eat the animals. There's efficiency loss at every step. Are you seriously claiming that eating meat is better than being vegetarian?

Eating grazing animals is more humane per unit of protein than industrial crops or factory farming.

It’s not possible to meet even current demands for beef by free grazing animals. There’s a reason 70% of American cows are fed grain in lots.

Not to mention the greenhouse gas effect of that many cows, which is much higher for grazing cattle.

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Post by kasey_junk »

tptacek wrote: post #308
kasey_junk wrote: post #233

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Your final point is the big deal. If western countries largely move to vegetable based meat, not only do we win in real terms we get a huge moral argument. Which is worth a lot.

I feel like you and Rayiner might be talking past each other. I read him to be saying that the moral argument you'd get from cutting meat wouldn't be worth much, either, because the US would still be emitting multiples more GHG than developing countries, even if they drove overhead from meat farming to zero.

But that’s the thing, if that’s his argument I disagree as well.

Simply put no matter what the reason to oppose meat consumption in the US still holds up. It’s a great improvement in real terms & it provides a stronger moral argument.

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Post by sridca »

balls187 wrote: post #267
sridca wrote: post #253

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> Eating more veggies, on the other hand, yes much better. In what way exactly would "eating more veggies" be much better when meat is already the only nutritionally complete[1] food? [1] http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/meats/#i16

> In what way exactly would "eating more veggies" be much better when meat is already the only nutritionally complete[1] food Easy, meat has no fiber. Western (read: American) diet consists of over consumption of meat, refined sugar, and processed grains, and woeful lack of vegetables, and lesser extent fruits. If the value of Beyond Meat is "better for you, better for environment", the health benefits seem dubious a…

> Most of us on the western diet, would do better to increase our consumption of veggies.

Yet originally you phrased it as if it were a general truth, so as to (intentionally or unintentionally) have the effect of misleading your fellow humans not born and raised or influenced by dietary patterns of your country, which is what my query was (is) all about.

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Post by cageface »

rayiner wrote: post #221
turtlesdown wrote: post #217

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>My brother and I are 3-4 inches taller than my dad, because we grew up on a meat and dairy rich American diet, versus the rice and lentil-based diet my dad grew up with in his village in Bangladesh. No, your dad is likely shorter due to basic malnutrition. Malnutrition is caused by lack of appropriate macro and micro nutrients, irrespective of their source. Studies have shown that properly nourished vegetarians, veg…

Studies show that children who don't drink animal milk are shorter: https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/milk-children-height-1.414983... ; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15981182 ; https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/80/4/1088/4690374 Also, "properly nourished" is a weasel phrase here. You see the exact same phenomenon among the U.S.-raised kids of Bangladeshis/Indians/Pakistanis from very comfortable families. The…

Taller is not necessarily healthier. Cows milk is designed to bring a cow to adult size in one year. It has a very different composition than human milk. There is a lot of evidence that feeding that kind of rocket fuel for growth to humans has some serious downsides. Drinking milk in teenage years, for example, raises the risk of prostate cancer by 300% later in life.

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Post by cthalupa »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #207
EliRivers wrote: post #181

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Apropos of just shootin' the breeze, could you have also met the animal? I wonder if that would make a further difference. I eat meat, but I put my hand up and say that if I ordered a steak in a restaurant and they brought out the cow and gave me a rock, and I had to beat the cow to death with the rock myself, I think I'd change my order. I'm not trying to make any points here; just freewheeling in conversation with…

I once took a survival course and during it I had to kill a rabbit with my bare hands, skin it, process the meat, cook it, and eat it. I definitely wanted to make sure the animal suffered as little as possible, but I was in no way deterred. Most people through human history have killed their own food from time to time. It's not really a big deal.

Yep. I've killed several smaller animals and processed them, etc. Not a huge deal to me.

I've yet to kill or process a whole cow, though I've broken down primals/subprimals.

I'm not sure how I would do if it was an animal I had raised. If I'm a farmer or rancher with a few dozen or hundreds of heads of cattle, probably no different. If it was a single cow... I might have trouble.

Everyone is different, though. Even some people I know who eat plenty of meat can't stand to look at processed carcass.

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Post by cageface »

leekyle333 wrote: post #293

For people that like to eat healthy, how do you feel about eating something as processed as the "beyond burger?" I get that it's nice to have another option but to me it's hard for me to stomach the ingredients especially with canola being the third ingredient.

I've been vegan for a while now and while I think it's a great thing that these products are available I don't think I'll be eating them much myself. I much prefer a lentil curry to a burger but it's nice to have some options when I'm out with friends.

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Post by sridca »

giornogiovanna wrote: post #259
sridca wrote: post #244

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HN has increasingly gotten vegetarian/ vegan, so posting articles like this get downvoted en masse. Here's one more: http://meatheals.com/

Firstly, that's ridiculous, vegetarians are definitely a minority on HN. And secondly, that's ridiculous, the people on that website are attributing all kinds of unrelated things to a "carnivore diet". Are you seriously trying to suggest that it's a cure-all?

> Firstly, that's ridiculous, vegetarians are definitely a minority on HN.

Pointless observation (I said HN has increasingly gotten vegetarian/ vegan [-biased], and not that vegetarians are a majority).

> And secondly, that's ridiculous, the people on that website [http://meatheals.com/] are attributing all kinds of unrelated things to a "carnivore diet".

What "unrelated things"? Do you care at all about your fellow humans beings enough to read through the reports on that website to realize these people are reporting curing whatever ailment they had prior to giving carnivore diet a try?

> Are you seriously trying to suggest that it's a cure-all?

Given that "cure-all" means "a hypothetical substance believed to maintain life indefinitely; once sought by alchemists." and I find zero mention of "cure-all" in meatheals.com - methinks your inferring this impossible conclusion should make a perfect example of that quality "ridiculousness" you are oh-so-fond of injecting in the conversation so as to stop any and all intelligent thinking. Ain't life grand!

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Post by SECProto »

theNJR wrote: post #306
JohnFen wrote: post #296

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> (I live in a city, it was easier than I thought it would be to connect with a farmer out in the rural part of my state.) I wish that more people would realize how easy this is! Plus, the quality of the meat you'll get (even if you aren't overtly buying the best possible) simply blows anything you find in the supermarket away. Here's what I've been doing with 4 friends for years now: every year, we go in on buying a…

How much is the full cow? Does the rancher vacuum seal the individual pieces for you, or do you pick up 600lbs of meat and have a meat packing party? Any other details?

I've been involved in this from a relative and gotten it wrapped in butcher paper (waxed one side). It works pretty well at keeping the moisture sealed (avoiding freezer burn), but you could do vacuum sealing (or maybe even just ziplock bagging) for some improvement.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by cageface »

meekstro wrote: post #282

Beyond meat works for financial reasons. Sunlight, pea plant, factory, paddy costs less at scale than sunlight, corn plant, cow, slaughter house, factory, paddy. It does not work particularly well for dietary reasons. The calorie reduction will reduce inflammation if it is not offset by additional excess calories but the omega 3 fatty acid profile will not compete financially with fatty acid profile of algae or grass…

Your tone is unnecessarily snarky but I don't think you're wrong that these new meat substitutes are probably not as healthy as a more thoughtful plant based diet. I think it's great that they're available but I don't plan to eat them regularly.

As for animal protein being necessary for human health, that's not even true in the ideal natural case, never mind the reality of the horror show that today's factory farmed meats have become.

If you think you can meet global demand for meat with free-ranging grazing cows then you haven't even looked at the numbers and claiming that feeding cows seaweed eliminates the methane issues means you also haven't actually looked at the numbers there.

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Post by zhte415 »

colinbartlett wrote: post #192
gdsdfe wrote: post #5

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It's just a good time to file, the end of 10 year bull market right before next year's recession

I find it amusing how confidently you state that. As if completely ignoring all the people who have said that same thing every year for the past 5.

There has been a recession in the US +/- 2 years of the end of every decade for the past 160+ years.

That sounds a bit hand-wavey / crystal ball / technical analysis, but has reasons in fundamentals: Several years of collective prosperity decrease risk aversion, low inflation / money targets (thus interest rates) make (over) investment cheap (offices, tall buildings, capital stock, etc), collective memory fades.

Certainly not written in stone, however. A book recommendation covering the above, and influence of such fundamentals in long term financial trends: Irrational Exuberance by Robert J Shiller.

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