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It seems the parent is suggesting that we block Chinese companies from operating in the USA, basically tit-for-tat retribution. Based on "...while their own companies operate freely in those foreign countries" This might be applicable for hardware sales, but for service companies (including ecommerce, search, ride hailing, all the big USA tech company niches) it's kind of a moot point. None of the big Chinese compani…

Well it's a difficult problem, and tit-for-tat retribution could be the optimal action based on my little knowledge on game theory ( https://ncase.me/trust/ ). Yet if things would go badly and the global economy go into turmoil, I think it would be notably worse for both. Another problem I've noted is also the Chinese companies buying up Western companies and seemingly operating as Western, but actually being fully o…

That corporate ownership aspect is actually a good point. I'm not well-versed on the legal complexities of international ownership or the pros and cons of corporate governance in that situation, but it's definitely something worth looking into further.

On a related note, I find it frustrating how so much residential property in San Francisco is owned by Chinese investors/real estate moguls. I have no idea what the fallout would be to limiting the ability of international entities to own so much property here, but I imagine it would help with the sky-high rents. It's not a line of reasoning I've ever seen a good write-up on, so I would be curious to understand it better.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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This and some of your other comments are some of the most ridiculous ones I've read out there. If somebody posted such a general blanket comment driven by ideology against the American gov without backing it up with any actual evidence or facts, they'd be butchered here. Get a grip.

My two whole comments on the subject are truly beyond the pale... But more seriously, does China not engage in mass censorship and re-education camps? Do angry townsfolk not flash mob foreigners and beat them up? Last June was there not an expose on how massively Chinese provinces are misrepresenting the reality of their situations? Did their president not ban Winnie the Pooh? I've not said anything that hasn't been…

They may do all of those things... but honestly you wouldn't be the one to know or to be authoritative on such facts based on your attitude and painfully obvious bias.

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Not just in e-commerce, the convenience living in China has far passed America, such as in mobile payment, food delivery, bike sharing, WeChat with its tremendously useful ecosystem, the subway system, high-speed rails, etc. Having lived in both China and America, I have to say the living standard in Chinese cities has passed America's in many ways and, more importantly, the speed of China building new facilities is…

Per capita GDP and gross GDP easily refute your apologia. Pro tip: at least try to submit something unrelated to China every now and then, otherwise people may rightly or wrongly call you a troll.

GDP per capita can be misleading and doesn't translate well into the quality of life, certainly not how convenient and safe you feel living there. Anyone who lived in China for a while would agree.

I see no problem submitting China-related news since I live in the country and Chinese technology is my focus, and HN folks deserve to know more about the development of Chinese technologies. I should submit more often. The fact that people are 'shocked' to hear Chinese company winning western counterparts as shown in the comments under various China posts in HN proves my point.

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Not just in e-commerce, the convenience living in China has far passed America, such as in mobile payment, food delivery, bike sharing, WeChat with its tremendously useful ecosystem, the subway system, high-speed rails, etc. Having lived in both China and America, I have to say the living standard in Chinese cities has passed America's in many ways and, more importantly, the speed of China building new facilities is…

Food delivery and bike sharing work well in China because of the scale of the cities and lower cost of living. When you have millions of people densely packed together, dumping a ton of bikes everywhere may be feasible. Even then, there's known issues, like how currently the biggest bike vendors are struggling for profitability. Food delivery is occasionally cheaper than buying at the store, due to VC style subsidies…

Advanced logistics technology is a part of the New Retail happening in China that revolutionizes the customer experience in shopping and living daily life, though integrating online, offline services and logistics. It's more than just delivering your food or automated convenience stores. There are quite a few companies utilizing AI and big data to drive New Retail to the next level. Recommend some articles on this topic:

https://www.bain.com/insights/embracing-chinas-new-retail/ https://www.alizila.com/new-retail/

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So then what other US company such as KFC, Starbucks, Coach, Tiffany & Co., Estée Lauder and Michael Kors do differently so they allowed to compete and enjoy success in china ?

I have to point out that putting luxury brands in the same space as amazon is not an apples to apples comparison.

The context here is American company. They all are American company.

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My two whole comments on the subject are truly beyond the pale... But more seriously, does China not engage in mass censorship and re-education camps? Do angry townsfolk not flash mob foreigners and beat them up? Last June was there not an expose on how massively Chinese provinces are misrepresenting the reality of their situations? Did their president not ban Winnie the Pooh? I've not said anything that hasn't been…

They may do all of those things... but honestly you wouldn't be the one to know or to be authoritative on such facts based on your attitude and painfully obvious bias.

They do do all these things though, they do them very publicly.

Judging them based on that, based on those consistent and continued offenses informs that bias rather strongly.

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Here, lets put it this way. I don't trust the Chinese government, or anything tied to the Chinese government, because they've consistently lived down to my expectations. Read what they say, find out what actually happened, and eventually the default assumption HAS to change from "Trust but Verify" to just "Verify".

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