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Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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telesilla wrote: post #22
x38iq84n wrote: post #2

The shooting in Christchurch is a tragedy that should not have happened. That said, this massive wave of censorship across MSM, NZ ISPs, regardless of the motivation, is very disturbing. It will be inevitably used to suppress citizens' freedoms, it will cause more tension in society that will escalate into more tragical incidents. Also, the video may serve someone to study modus operandi of such an attacker to increa…

Can I ask you: how can I, who does not at all want to see any graphic images, avoid these without censorship? It's not fair to allow these things in the public field where we might see disturbing things without wanting to. Videos and images must be tagged, and therefore given a rating so that I can self-censor.

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Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by peterwwillis »

zed88 wrote: post #135

I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. I am from NZ and a muslim and have watched the video myself an hour after the incident, I know people personally affected by this and I think we all need to come together as human beings and understand that there are some evil ideas and people everywhere around the world. And that's…

By that logic we should stop censoring child porn, because it doesn't solve the issue by itself.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by wldlyinaccurate »

pests wrote: post #27
telesilla wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I ask you: how can I, who does not at all want to see any graphic images, avoid these without censorship? It's not fair to allow these things in the public field where we might see disturbing things without wanting to. Videos and images must be tagged, and therefore given a rating so that I can self-censor.

I usually turn off entertainment that is dis-pleasuring me. Do you need everything to be labeled and rated by someone else before consumption?

Yes. This is the entire purpose of film rating systems like the well-known MPAA system. People want to be informed about the content of a film before watching it so that they can decide whether it is appropriate for them (or their children, or their friends suffering from PTS) to watch.

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Post by alexcnwy »

I build a lot of computer vision systems and did my MSc on classifying what’s happening in video and I am VERY skeptical that it’s possible to prevent this from happening (without having a person watch every video).

You can edit a video to make it appear as safe content and it’s a cat and mouse game because you need humans to annotate those variations before a ML system can detect them (an unsupervised model will likely lead to loads of false positives).

I think the solution is better control over what we see and who we trust enough to allow them to broadcast into our brains.

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Post by anigbrowl »

burfog wrote: post #291
anigbrowl wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have an out-of-sight-out-of-mind policy right now. Then how am I able to provide you with data collected by law enforcement authorities demonstrating decade-long trends, along with information on the methodology employed to collect it?

That is only about possession of what is sometimes evidence of abuse, and only about people who were caught with it. The interesting numbers are how many cases of abuse are hidden from law enforcement because: 1. people won't recognize abusers they know because they won't dare look 2. people would rather destroy a computer than deal with unfriendly police procedures Oh, BTW, one other problem I didn't mention. The cu…

You seem to be more interested in your hypotheticals than engaging with empirical data or learning about the rather extensive infrastructure that already exists to address the problem.

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Post by ioquatix »

tim333 wrote: post #163
x38iq84n wrote: post #2

The shooting in Christchurch is a tragedy that should not have happened. That said, this massive wave of censorship across MSM, NZ ISPs, regardless of the motivation, is very disturbing. It will be inevitably used to suppress citizens' freedoms, it will cause more tension in society that will escalate into more tragical incidents. Also, the video may serve someone to study modus operandi of such an attacker to increa…

It's not totally censored and you don't go to jail for sharing it or anything like that - it's just making it harder to get and a bit more obscure which I don't find that worrying. It took me 5 mins to find it for someone else - I didn't actually want to watch it personally.

Someone is apparently in NZ court for sharing the video as it is now deemed objectionable material.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1903/S00171/sharing-shootin...

I can personally see the logic of this. This is not a video from an innocent bystander, but a video from a murderer designed to perpetuate hate. I'm generally anti-censorship, but I think this is a form of hate speech and society as a whole does not benefit from its dissemination.

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Post by [deleted] »

gruez wrote: post #283
bitxbit wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if we want to go down that road, the event was in a private place of worship and not a public landmark. And from my understanding (I don’t know since I refuse to and didn’t watch the video) there were minors in the footage. Last but not least, Facebook specifically sells ads on their pages. So, yeah, people cannot post and disseminate these videos even if the event occurred here in the US. In addition, the foota…

I was bitten by a sibling comment, so I'll preface this with: IANAL, this applies to US, but could apply to NZ as well. Feel free to correct me (with sources). >the event was in a private place of worship and not a public landmark The relevant doctrine here would be expectation of privacy[1]. You're right that it's not a public landmark, but I argue it's still a public place considering that there are dozens of stran…

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Post by erentz »

techdragon wrote: post #306
erentz wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From reading a lot of the anti censorship comments popping up around FBs activities here, it feels like it is actually partly fueled by the deplatforming actions social networks have been taking here in the US, which have been political, and very anti-free speech. It doesn’t all seem purely about this case of whether a social network should be required to distribute propaganda videos of mass murder. Personally I don’…

It’s simply the matter of where we draw the line. Child porn is nearly universally considered past the line. Bestiality is predominantly considered to be past the line. Videos on how to make weapons or learn self defence / martial arts (all mechanisms by which violence can be inflicted) are placed past the line or not past it in the laws in many parts of the world. Hateful and vitriolic rants will be illegal in some…

> Is it really so hard to understand that some people draw the line between the two things you mentioned?

I know that people draw a line, that’s implicit from me saying that people make the distinction between those two things. What I said was personally I don’t understand why they draw that line.

> news, or audiovisual documentation worthy of preserving as evidence of the events that have transpired.

They can archive and preserve it themselves, or using services that want to facilitate that, and be subject to whatever local laws may permit or prohibit that. As you said laws vary by jurisdiction.

The anger at FB for not wanting to be party to disseminating this video of a horrific crime really is hard to understand.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by [deleted] »

warning26 wrote: post #9

I know people on here will disagree with this, but I think many of these events indicate that online censorship is needed. I believe it's becoming increasingly clear that merely allowing far-right dialogue online is essentially responsible for ease of radicalization, and that proactive censorship would be the best approach to forestall this.

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