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Starbucks' music is driving employees nuts

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Re: Starbucks' music is driving employees nuts

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I wouldn't be surprised if the real goal was to make customers spend less time sitting around. In the last year or two, I've noticed Panera has been playing godawful music that makes it nearly impossible to sit down, relax, and work on something. It works of course, but now I just don't go at all.

Almost every Panera I've been in was poorly run. Poor service and bad, old coffee more often than not. SF at 4th and King was the lone exception.

Perhaps. I don't drink coffee, I liked their fruit smoothies, and bagels are bagels. The music used to be generic enough (probably something quiet and instrumental but I honestly cannot recall) that it was not something I registered, but more recently they've played loud country/pop (observed in both Massachusetts and Maryland) that I now avoid them.

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Using Spotify in a business setting is actually against the Spotify Terms of Conditions. https://support.spotify.com/is/using_spotify/the_basics/use-... Not that most of the bars that I go to actually read the T&C's. I've heard Spotify adverts in some...

There are legitimate solutions to Spotify for Business . [1] https://www.soundtrackyourbrand.com/industries [2] https://rockbot.com/ Reference: https://www.forbes.com/sites/heatherfarmbrough/2018/04/24/wh...

Not sure they're as flexible though. I think they're 'set a playlist and you're done' kinda deals.

A lot of bars I go to are basically 'DJ'ing with Spotify taking requests from punters etc.

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I ran into a pump in MI last summer that wouldn't even turn on until it finished playing the first 30 second commercial. Eventually, I could start pumping but it continued to play obnoxious ads throughout. I won't be filling up there anymore.

Just wait until they start adding cameras that detect whether you're actually looking at the commercial or not, and pause the commercial when you're not paying attention. I'd link to the relevant Black Mirror episode, but I'm sure we've all seen it.

like with Microsoft Windows solitaire for Windows 10

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I owned a Domino's and put up a LCD in the customer waiting area. I bought a BluRay player and a copy of Finding Nemo. It took two shifts for me to fill a disc with backups of dozens of Disney/Pixar/etc movies. Once I broke 50 hours of video, I stopped being able to recite it at will.

We can hem and haw about piracy for personal use. But piracy and public playback of pirated media at a business you owned seems like a totally different beast to me.

I owned the blurays/dvd for everything I showed. I got the backups from the "usual places" because it was easier than ripping them myself. I had every single disc in the office.

Re: Starbucks' music is driving employees nuts

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They're not trying to drive traffic out, they're trying to discourage loitering. If you're there to buy something you're likely to just go in and buy it despite the problem. And if you're on the fence, you're likely to just make a hasty decision instead of considering it if it's too loud to avoid. The big impediment though, is loiterers. If there is a problem with people loitering in or in front of your store that te…

I've read that classical music is traditionally used to drive away loiterers. I find that amusing, although I can't quite explain why.

It actually makes me sad to see great music used as a tool for coercion, but I get why it happens.

Classical music is actually really mentally engaging. I've tried listening to stuff like Brahms or Gershwin while working and it's kind of hard. Chamber music is designed to be kind of ambient and inoffensively bland, but most of what's on a classical album just engages your brain too much to let you focus on what you're doing. Even if people don't realize that's what they're listening to, I can see how just being around it a lot can get agitating unless you can consciously tune it out.

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An elementary school I attended from first to fourth grade would play Beethovan's Moonlight Sonata in the lunchroom as the song that signaled "quiet time," when we'd have to eat our food without talking. Occasionally we would get another song, something by Chopin I think, but in my memory 90% of the time it was Moonlight Sonata. Whenever I hear that song now, ten years later, I get teleported back to fourth grade qui…

The first movement is overplayed. The second and third are really awesome actually.

Thanks for the info. Maybe this will let me reclaim something from the negative conditioning!

Re: Starbucks' music is driving employees nuts

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I experienced this working in retail during the holiday season back when I was in college. The little bell intro to Mariah Carey's "All I want for Christmas is You", will forever haunt my dreams. I rarely listen to Christmas music anymore because of that experience. Nowadays, I get irritated when I've burned through a 2 hour playlist twice at work and need to find something else to listen to, but I totally take the a…

"40 Year Old Virgin - Michael McDonald Scene" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRdLWbOAUEY

This movie was ahead of it's time. :)

Re: Starbucks' music is driving employees nuts

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>They want mindless binge drinkers, not talkers. I'm friends with a lot of bar owners, and have had a few bars in the family in the past. Owners don't want someone getting plastered. We want the high functioning alcoholic who orders 3 pints to his partner's 1 and draws his friends to come to the pub with him every night or two.

Seeing that you have experience in this sector, what is the purpose of a bar exactly? I never have gone to a bar, but always have had the assumption that bars are pretty much for getting plastered.

If you want to get plastered, you can buy absurd amounts of alcohol by volume by purchasing cheap vodka and making it palatable by running it through a water filter to remove the bitter contaminants, then soak fruit in it to give it some flavour.

For 30$, you can make yourself enough very nice booze, flavoured to your tastes, as you would be able to get for $300 or so at a bar.

As for the direct question: different bars have different purposes, which is why there are so many different types.

Bars in the financial district are often vehicles to waste money as a social display. Bars in the artistic sector are often vehicles to meet likeminded poor, but cool, artists and misfits. Bars in residential areas are normally places to relax and have a few pints. Bars in the nightlife areas are normally places to meet people. Some bars have good food. Some bars have cheap drinks. Some bars have great music. Some bars have familiar staff.

There's a bar near where I used to live that offers manicures, male model servers and foot rubs. A few streets down is a sports bar which seems to employ exceptionally chesty waitresses. As you might imagine, the target demographic for each is different.

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I don't know about Starbucks but have you ever been to a Family Mart convenience store in Japan? I'm wondering how the music didn't drive the employees mad. The Family Mart welcome song is probably the most recognizable but the same goes for stores like Bic Camera and many others.

The Japanese take this to another level. Imagine listening to these all day, every day: Don don don, donki, don quijote... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJyYrrDKYZE (Don Quijote) Kamera wa yodobashi kamera! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4QSu1ZHunw (Yodobashi Camera)

Don't forget classics like the sakana ("fish") song ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJDCDF2xnf8 ).

Re: Starbucks' music is driving employees nuts

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Which phrase? That the future is "unevenly distributed"? It's from a well-known Gibson quote. Using it the way a3n did is the hacker equivalent of a literary reference, easily recognisible to the well read. Although in this case, it's simple enough to understand just by reading. Disengage google. Engage self.

Cool so maybe answer the question instead of suggesting that other posters aren't well-read? This isn't Metafilter.

Ever seen someone hold up a piece of technology and say "this is the future?" What did they mean?

Did they mean that they were holding in their hand, somehow, the actual future? That their hand was in tomorrow? No, they did not. What they meant was that the item they were holding would become commonplace in the future.

Think of a technology that became widespread from small beginnings. Let's use electricity as our example. There was a time when electricity was only available to the consumer in some large cities. One could have then said that electricity was the future. When people said that, did they mean that electricity had someone traveled back in time? No, they did not. What they meant was that in the future, electricity would be more commonplace, more widespread. In that situation, in some places - place with freely available electricity - the future had already arrived. In some places - places without freely available electricity - the future had not yet arrived. The future was unevenly distributed.

This isn't Metafilter.

It is Hacker News, though. Expecting people hanging around Hacker News to be familiar with some of the Hacker canon and culture isn't unrealistic.

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