Any stats on how many employees they had to start with? If it was a team of 500 vs 2500 that changes how I'd view this heavily.
Apple accused a Project Titan ex-employee of trade secrets theft, and it was disclosed that there 5,000 employees "Disclosed" on Project Titan. https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-self-driving-car-proje...
Apple Lays Off 200 Employees from Autonomous Car Unit
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I'd like to point out that what he says here about autonomous vehicles and the limits of their sensors applies to humans too. It is just socially acceptable to drive in averse conditions with limited visibility, and if you hit another car, person or something else, you just blame it on the weather. It's not socially acceptable for an autonomous vehicle to just wing it in bad conditions. I find it curious that we are…
One of the biggest advantages humans have is that humans can take risks. We have agency . Computers cannot take risks; not because they cannot be programmed to take risks, but because they are programmed by huge corporations with massive, centralized liability. This is why level five autonomous cars will never exist. It's not a technical problem; it's a political one. Its easy for someone on hackernews to say "maybe…
Which isn't acceptable either. To some degree, people look towards autonomous vehicles as a way of reducing the number of fatalities/injuries on the road. If they're not better than humans & the other benefits don't add up, they won't be accepted.
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From what I read Apple are taking a different approach? Google/Amazon are harvesting massive amounts of data and training against it and Apple are taking a privacy first approach saying you shouldn’t have to harvest lots of data for intelligent AI. Currently the harvesting data for models look to be working better for Google / Amazon with current technology. The question is how will Apple progress long term and given…
Are you suggesting Apple plans to do AI without harvesting data, or with transparent privacy controls on data? There's literally nothing for machine learning to learn besides harvested data. It's like suggesting that a power company is trying the strategy of using no wires for delivering electricity to houses.. I'd be excited if Apple found a way to trustlessly aggregate data and perform homomorphic training of their…
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#314One doesnt have to realy on the most amazing sensors in a car if the city can be responsible for driving the vehicles down its pathways.
Let the car enter a given area and relinquish a certain amount of control from the car to the environment it is in.
Let the traffic light system dictate what cars are movingg in which direction.
Ensure that the cars never enter a crosswalk or bike lane etc.
once you leave the area - you then have whatever control of the car you would normally.
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#315Maybe Apple doesn't want to pursue a dream which, as far as we know, can only have a limited outcome? They don't really like such compromises in products. Check this: https://medium.com/s/story/self-driving-cars-will-always-be-... > Waymo’s CEO, John Krafcik, has admitted that a self-driving car that can drive in any condition, on any road, without ever needing a human to take control—usually called a “level five” au…
I'd like to point out that what he says here about autonomous vehicles and the limits of their sensors applies to humans too. It is just socially acceptable to drive in averse conditions with limited visibility, and if you hit another car, person or something else, you just blame it on the weather. It's not socially acceptable for an autonomous vehicle to just wing it in bad conditions. I find it curious that we are…
Where do you live where this is socially acceptable (the blame the weather part, not the drive in adverse conditions part)?
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>>Seriously can’t they The word 'they' suggests some kind of hive mind at work. In reality it's more like 1 - 2 people at the top making decisions. If those people drag their heels for ever, or just don't care it won't happen. The real question is why should they care. I mean even if you give them stocks, by the time they vest, they would have got their money. After that you can go work for whomever you like. So why…
> The real question is why should they care. I mean even if you give them stocks, by the time they vest, they would have got their money. After that you can go work for whomever you like. Apple’s executive team is not known for ditching the company the moment their stocks vest.
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#317In dense urban environments, like say FiDi areas - why not have sensor and car-control infrastructure integrated into the city streets/curbs/sidewalks. One doesnt have to realy on the most amazing sensors in a car if the city can be responsible for driving the vehicles down its pathways. Let the car enter a given area and relinquish a certain amount of control from the car to the environment it is in. Let the traffic…
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> With that attitude, you are stuck in the past and don't want to make progress with technology. The statement you quoted is qualified, not an assertion of impossibility. Your claim is silly; the alternative to breathless hype isn't Luddism, it's getting educated about a field and proceeding, if possible, in an informed way. Claiming delusional enthusiasm (with a side of hucksterism and a strong odor of financial inc…
Even if the cars of the future won't be able to drive on all roads at all time, I don't see how it would matter all that much. Of course there will always be forms of rural driving where the terrain is unknown and there are limited options for sensor fusion available. But that's not what's important. What's import is DC, LA, and many other metro cities that can't build more roads, but still need population and econom…
Mass. Transport.
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#320Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd like to point out that what he says here about autonomous vehicles and the limits of their sensors applies to humans too. It is just socially acceptable to drive in averse conditions with limited visibility, and if you hit another car, person or something else, you just blame it on the weather. It's not socially acceptable for an autonomous vehicle to just wing it in bad conditions. I find it curious that we are…
> I find it curious that we are going to hold autonomous vehicles to a perhaps impossibly high standard while we also hold people to barely any standards at all. This is all US-centric obviously, but my 2c: We can blame individuals for bad behavior, it's harder for us to reason about complex systems breaking and that scares us. When an accident happens currently, we immediately rush to judgement: You're a bad driver,…