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Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Email: Two use cases. With email, how can I subscribe to conversations I'm interested in? Mailing lists are nice, but we have no real way to make mailing lists that start and stop on the fly like a chat channel in a way that is searchable to the entire organization during or after the fact. What email list system allows for quick creation and the ability for everyone in an organization to know that a conversation is…

> Mailing lists are nice, but we have no real way to make mailing lists that start and stop on the fly like a chat channel in a way that is searchable to the entire organization during or after the fact. Isn’t that what subject lines and mail archives are useful for?

What's the mail archive that can be set up with the same ease of use and permissions as slack? What, are you going to say hypermail?

Nobody has put together a simple solution in the mail domain. Maybe there's a market for it - turns out someone might pay for it if it's better than the slack experience.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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When is this overhype for Slack going to stop? It is a chat application with a slightly improved UI like it existed 30 years ago. This is a step in corporate IT that I really cannot fully understand. It seems that every company//startup has to use slack nowadays to pretend to be cool again. Everytime I have a serious conversation about the productivity gains or losses of Slack though, it is pretty clear to me that it…

We do not use Slack, we use IRC for direct and fast communication. We do not use it for things that need RFCs and technical specifications, for that we use gitlab and other tools. IRC is great and I am using it for 14+ years already. It's stable, fast, efficient and secure with lots of options. I've written a lot of IRC bots in many languages because protocol is so easy and every language have library/bot for IRC tha…

What is the good story of multi-computer/mobile IRC access, with shared read state notifications?

I used to run IRC on the server in the screen session, but this is unusable on mobile. And setting up properly was a total PITA.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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I don't think I've ever used HipChat. What don't you guys like about it?

I worked at a place where employees lobbied for Slack endlessly until we got rid of HipChat because -- and I am being completely serious here -- you can't upload as many custom smilies in HipChat.

That was one concern we had where I work, but Slack does many things better—not just unlimited custom emoji.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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When is this overhype for Slack going to stop? It is a chat application with a slightly improved UI like it existed 30 years ago. This is a step in corporate IT that I really cannot fully understand. It seems that every company//startup has to use slack nowadays to pretend to be cool again. Everytime I have a serious conversation about the productivity gains or losses of Slack though, it is pretty clear to me that it…

I think you've gotta acknowledge that a lot of this stuff is just fashion. Anyone can buy a pair of pants. Look beyond the functionality to understand why people do things. It can be social signaling, wanting to be part of a crowd, or dozens of other reasons. My wife is an architect. She made me see this.

> Anyone can buy a pair of pants.

Wait a second... what's the alternative to pants?? :p

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Shameless self-promotion: We (Trillian) just received HITRUST certification, provide a BAA, and offer both a SaaS variant and the self-hosted Trillian Server product, both of which run over our own open IM protocol. We're not exactly a Slack/Hipchat clone (having been around for 18+ years, we're more of a traditional IM and group chat solution with some modern stuff like an API, chat bots, and federation capabilities…

I still remember (and may still have an installer for...) Trillian back in the days when it was just a multi-IM client. I like your pricing comparisons for on-premises servers - particularly the comparison to a Skype for Business site license. https://trillian.im/uses/self-hosted-instant-messaging/ Am I correct that you're pretty much focused on just the IM/chat side of things rather than all the calendar/phone/build…

We think integrations can be great, and offer a few of our own right now (a proof-of-concept /weather command and a deeper integration with Global Relay for some of our fintech customers, for example). That being said, we're being careful about integrations and making sure they're more than just novelties that do nothing but move email notifications into a group chat. Our primary focus is lean and mean instant messaging, the good old contact list + presence (with ICQ-era fun like invisibility allow lists!), speed (being one of the last few companies offering a desktop chat client written in C++ that chugs along without using 2GB of RAM!), and strong administrative controls. Secondary to that is our focus on integrations that bring clear value to our customers. I expect we'll add more good ones this year!

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Huge problem for on-prem Hipchat customers. Plenty of customers out there not willing to put all their internal communications on the other side of their firewall, and now have to migrate. Slack doesn't have an on-prem option. Microsoft Teams doesn't have an on-prem option. What are enterprises supposed to use, RocketChat? Matrix? With no clear migration path? Really poor move on Atlassian's part. It would be one thi…

welcome to 2018

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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I don't think I've ever used HipChat. What don't you guys like about it?

Sync. I have three computers and an iPhone. If I check a message on one device, it still shows unread on the other devices. It's total crap.

I actually raised a ticket for this.

There was a long thread I didn't follow at all about how that was how it was supposed work.

That's when I switched to Slack.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Going through all of your channels you don't need immediate updates from and doing /mute will go a long way to getting the silence you want. People can still @mention you to get your attention if needed. You can check muted channels on your own time when you feel like it. You should also set up Do not Disturb and turn off the red notification dots. The rest is a cultural problem that exists will all communication cha…

For some inexplicable reason, in the absurdly big Hack Reactor alumni slack, it's considered cool to scoff at people asking for conversations to be taken into threads. There's like 3000 people in there. Sometimes shitloads of conversations are happening at once. The people that refuse to use threads aren't cool, they're just co-opting literally the entire channel for just their conversation. I see it as a forum, wher…

That slack is rather depressing I think I have most channels muted.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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We use HipChat. It’s terrible, and it has been a frequent comment that having Slack would help us build better communication culture, because people avoid using hipchat (and use Skype or other platforms instead).

I don't think I've ever used HipChat. What don't you guys like about it?

HipChat (At least for me on Windows) absolutely messes up any SQL I try to send to someone. It's unusable because HipChat apparently adds characters to the beginning of each line. At this point I just email the SQL, but I really shouldn't have to for quick and dirty queries.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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I wonder what all these folks who have worked and are still working on Stride will end up doing? If I am not mistaken most of the devs who worked on Stride are located in Austin, TX. I wonder how they feel about this whole change...it must feel yucky!

Having worked on that team, it always felt yucky. The product has been a train-wreck for years.

I wonder then, this "partnership" means that whoever is on the Stride team is now going to somewhat work really close to Slack's team? Or is Slack acqui-hiring the Stride team? or ... ?
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