European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill • Hacker News Board

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by klibertp » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 5:05 PM UTC

srah763 wrote: post #289

sebst wrote: post #274

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> Don’t forget compliance with GDPR probably means it’s not possible to comply with this new copyright laws. Fun times for EU startups. GDPR is a good example of another law which is potentially dangerous. However, I do see that it's hard to comply with both, but I don't see how they interact with other. > P.S.: Taking some risks quoting Ayn Rand on HN. :) Why?

Because her entire “philosophy” is egotistical selfishness, in her own words. So the opposite of good and profoundly ignorant. No point in rehashing 1000 year old debates that were settled long ago on this type of behavior.

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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by throwaway37585 » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 5:08 PM UTC

glibgil wrote: post #305

SequoiaHope wrote: post #275

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I want to say, I heard all this talk of Ayn Rand as some kind of evil bogeyman, and then I listened to her speak on YouTube. She grew up in a horrible communist dictatorship, and then found refuge in the US. She spoke about how unfair governments can be, and spoke out against forced control of the people. I found her to be super reasonable! She only represents one persons view and I feel that libertarians often fail…

She was on welfare in America. She wasn’t even interested in trying her philosophy out on her self. Why should I try it out?

> She was on welfare in America.

“In 1976, she retired from writing her newsletter and, despite her initial objections, she allowed Evva Pryor, an employee of her attorney, to enroll her in Social Security and Medicare.”

Medicare provides health insurance for older Americans who have worked and paid into the system through the payroll tax. Social Security is also funded by payroll taxes. Did Rand “take out more than she put in”, so to speak?

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by manfredo » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 5:16 PM UTC

srah763 wrote: post #306

rocketraman wrote: post #304

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This comment is profoundly ignorant. You're dismissing her philosophy because of two descriptive words (and not even the best two, which would probably be "rational selfishness"), which you have decided are the "opposite of good" simply because history says they are? That's just an appeal to tradition: plenty of people have been wrong about plenty of things throughout history, especially in the areas of morality and…

Yes this happens to not be one of those cases, espousing the virtues of selfishness isn’t up for debate anymore. It’s wrong, and has been shown to be so time and time again. To have to rehash such foolishness is pointless.

Proclaiming that something is not up for debate and refusing to engage meaningfully is an extremely easy way to lose the debate.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by saalweachter » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 5:16 PM UTC

pmlnr wrote: post #115

glook wrote: post #62

Vint Cerf AND Tim Berners-Lee declare it "an imminent threat to the future of the Internet." Then Cory Doctorow calls it foolish. This feels like a no-brainer for opposition.

Those voices don't seem to reach MEPs.

... none of those voices are from the EU[*].

(Well, I guess Tim Berners-Lee still is until Brexit finishes.)

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by choicenotchance » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 5:17 PM UTC

I only see this as yet another way trying to extort from Google, Facebook, and other content publishing kinda companies outside EU.

Not that I care, but I do see the EU's desperation quite a lot in it.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by pmlnr » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 5:19 PM UTC

saalweachter wrote: post #314

pmlnr wrote: post #115

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Those voices don't seem to reach MEPs.

... none of those voices are from the EU[*]. (Well, I guess Tim Berners-Lee still is until Brexit finishes.)

That shouldn't matter at all, especially when it's about the internet.

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Post by drak0n1c » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 5:28 PM UTC

pas wrote: post #222

Filligree wrote: post #106

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It's not illegal, so that would require a law change. Which is what this article is about.

It sounds very much like discrimination - if no other aggregator / news site gets the same treatment.

Even the most well-intentioned regulations often end up benefitting the largest and most entrenched industry players. The term is "regulatory capture".

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Post by l5870uoo9y » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 5:29 PM UTC

soVeryTired wrote: post #271

leifg wrote: post #107

As a EU citizen I have always been (and still am) a strong advocate for the European Union. I think the founding of the European Union was one of the greatest things that could ever happen to European citizens. I full heartedly believe this institution played a major role in retaining the piece after World War 2. The concept of open borders in (most of) Europe is something I would never want to miss. But seeing the l…

> But seeing the lawmakers fucking up more and more on these kind of laws makes it harder to build a reasonable argument against all the so called "EU critics" (most of the time just straight up racists). I'm sorry but you do yourself a disservice if you paint people who don't agree with you as racists. Yes, concern about immigration is part of what drives euroskepticism, and some people are concerned about immigrati…

Behind the stagnation lies also a ideological conflict between France's centralism and Germany's liberalism. For EU to be a durable institution you will need to keep its scope limited, Europeans want their national identity too (and most also the EU).

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Post by T-N-T » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 5:30 PM UTC

soVeryTired wrote: post #279

T-N-T wrote: post #254

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> I full heartedly believe this institution played a major role in retaining the piece after World War 2. Not this canard again. Countries that have known peace within their homeland territory post WW2 were countries that either owned nuclear weapons, or befriended a power that owned nuclear weapons. The EU has nothing to do with peace within continental Europe. In fact it could NOT stop extremely bloody conflicts li…

> The nuclear bomb is the true peace maker. Sorry, then why has the US been involved in a major war every ten years since WW2?

>Sorry, then why has the US been involved in a major war every ten years since WW2?

Because those countries didn't have nukes. Nukes create peace for those who own them, not those who don't. North Korea will never be invaded by the US as long as they have nukes.

Same thing for Pakistan. It will not see the same fate as Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lybia.. because it has nukes.

Western Europe knows peace because its two strongest powers are nuclear powers (United Kingdom, France), while the remaining power, Germany, kept being pushed into proving it has become inoffensive such as signing a treaty prohibiting it from building nuclear weapons. There can be no war in Western Europe territory as long as the UK, France and the US don't want war.

The last nail in the coffin to prove that the European Union is a paper tiger that has nothing to do with the absence of war in the continent is the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Nobody cared enough for Ukraine's fate to defend it and so Russia took whatever piece it wanted from it.

The EU didn't end war in Europe. Nuclear powers ended war in -WESTERN- Europe, which is not all of Europe. It would be nice to stop forgetting that there's other countries to the east of Germany and Switzerland. Considering the annexation of Crimea, the idea that there's a guaranteed peace is merely a dream, not a reality.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by ISL » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 5:32 PM UTC

ngold wrote: post #294

SequoiaHope wrote: post #275

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I want to say, I heard all this talk of Ayn Rand as some kind of evil bogeyman, and then I listened to her speak on YouTube. She grew up in a horrible communist dictatorship, and then found refuge in the US. She spoke about how unfair governments can be, and spoke out against forced control of the people. I found her to be super reasonable! She only represents one persons view and I feel that libertarians often fail…

Being that her friend and apprentice was Alan Greenspan you can see where people get a little weird about rand. Also the rand think tank that spews serious amounts of fascist policy.

The RAND Corporation gets its name from Research ANd Development.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAND_Corporation