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Post by lifeisstillgood »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #118
ransom1538 wrote: post #23

I remember watching Robin Williams perform ~2009. He was hilarious and positive on stage at Cobb. After the show he hung out with us and Bing Gordon (his friend). His entire demeanor changed. Unable to smile, look people in the eyes, and holding back tears. People thought he would be funny off stage but he just was extremely anxious and wanted to leave asap. Anyhow, I feel like people (esp. famous people) hide the th…

The above link shows more than just half - 2/3 gun deaths in US are suicide - approx 20,000 out of 30,000 Fairly horrifying but does impact the whole gun control debate IMO.

I should be more nuanced in my wording around US hot button topics.

I was merely surprised that the proportion was so large and (that as a UK observer of this debate,) surprised I had not seen it before.

Keeping to the topic, I enjoyed Bourdains books and shows and am sorry to see him go. I hope the discussion here and elsewhere will focus on helping others in similar straits and not get diverted by comments ... such as mine.

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Post by lurquer »

piker wrote: post #104

A powerful quote that may resonate with many of us and sum up his humility and fight with depression, from an interview with Biography.com (via reddit): "I should’ve died in my 20s. I became successful in my 40s. I became a dad in my 50s. I feel like I’ve stolen a car — a really nice car — and I keep looking in the rearview mirror for flashing lights." Rest in peace.

Is a victim of suicide suffering from depression by definition?

If not, why would one immediately assume Bourdain was depressed?

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Post by alehul »

staticautomatic wrote: post #309
cookingrobot wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even when there is causation, you still don't which is the cause and effect, or if both are effects of hidden common cause.

That doesn't make any sense.

There could be a causation link between alcohol and suicide, but whether suicidal thoughts lead to alcohol or alcohol leads to suicidal thoughts is unknown.

Alternatively, both alcohol and suicidal thoughts could be the result of a 'hidden common cause', such as drugs or unemployment.

Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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Post by WalterSear »

lurquer wrote: post #312
piker wrote: post #104

A powerful quote that may resonate with many of us and sum up his humility and fight with depression, from an interview with Biography.com (via reddit): "I should’ve died in my 20s. I became successful in my 40s. I became a dad in my 50s. I feel like I’ve stolen a car — a really nice car — and I keep looking in the rearview mirror for flashing lights." Rest in peace.

Is a victim of suicide suffering from depression by definition? If not, why would one immediately assume Bourdain was depressed?

Because he says so in the parent's quote.

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Post by apearson »

Toast_25 wrote: post #274
georgewsinger wrote: post #252

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> Suicide is a growing problem in the United States. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published a survey Thursday showing suicide rates increased by 25% across the United States over nearly two decades ending in 2016. > I remember a while back that the general public's tone on suicide was a lot less sober. More of a "man up" sort of attitude. Not trolling: wouldn't this provide (weak, but nevertheles…

It may be that the effects we're having now were caused by that "man up" attitude that was going on back then.

Playing devil's advocate but wouldn't the effects have been causing problems in the past as well. The "man up" attitude has been going on for much longer than a single generation. Also do you know of any stats or papers looking at possible connections? Genuinely curious.

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Post by geezerjay »

staticautomatic wrote: post #304
geezerjay wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coreelation doesn't imply causality. I'm sure some people dealing with depression seek refuge at the bottom of a bottle.

Correlation does imply causation. It just doesn't prove it.

> Correlation does imply causation.

Yeah, and maternities cause pregnancies.

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Post by braveheart1723 »

foobaw wrote: post #299
monkeynotes wrote: post #224

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I wish I knew where to seek the treatment you found. I suffer from anxiety, depression, and trauma and it limits my potential every day. I have counselling but I find it extremely difficult to connect with the source of all of it and flush it out. I know it's in there, hiding. The ego death you speak of is what I invite every day but the negativity and shame that my ego has insulated itself with is extremely resilien…

I wish you the best. One thing that really helped a lot of my peers is Ketamine and there are treatment centers available in big cities.

I know this is anecdotal but I've also spoken to a nurse treating depressive patients for 20 years and she swore by recent treatments of Ketamine here in the UK.

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Post by Eatshitluser123 »

blueprint wrote: post #206
fiblye wrote: post #20

The CNN article about his death had this: >Suicide is a growing problem in the United States. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published a survey Thursday showing suicide rates increased by 25% across the United States over nearly two decades ending in 2016. I remember a while back that the general public's tone on suicide was a lot less sober. More of a "man up" sort of attitude. With a growing list…

> Depression has nothing to do with how "good" your life is on paper. Says who? Maybe if we put everything on that paper the scale would visibly tip but it may be the case that if we could perceive those things as they are such that they could be written down it would exclude the problem's sticking power. By the way we should also confirm it was really depression.

Lol u think no one has thought of that? You're just soooo much more clever, huh?

Keep your stupid opinions to yourself, shiteater.

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