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Re: Android P

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Post by jayd16 »

gdrulia wrote: post #216
jayd16 wrote: post #168

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You say that but the reality is its really convenient. I go to a taco place every Thursday and pre-order the tacos for pick up from their app. The app icon is only ever in the suggested list around lunch time on Thursdays. How awesome is that? Its pointless borrowing trouble. Complain when they screw up, not when you think they can't pull it off.

But one Thursday I don't pre-order, and I'm actively doing other stuff, maybe outside, phone slippery, need to check something and damn it... clicked on that suggestion, now have to wait to get to what I actually intended. Just my experience with android.

It took the place of the top row in the full library list. In this scenario you'd just be opening some random app instead of a chance it was the app you probably want to use.

Re: Android P

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gldalmaso wrote: post #242
jayd16 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say that but the reality is its really convenient. I go to a taco place every Thursday and pre-order the tacos for pick up from their app. The app icon is only ever in the suggested list around lunch time on Thursdays. How awesome is that? Its pointless borrowing trouble. Complain when they screw up, not when you think they can't pull it off.

First you condition the phone, then the phone conditions you. The more predictable you become the better the phone works. Future kids will be totally ok with technology dictating their behavior. "What do you mean I can travel on a weekday? My booking app only shows up on saturdays..."

Or, you know, scroll past the first 4 icons.

Re: Android P

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013a wrote: post #258
timendum wrote: post #205

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It's awesome but I prefer muscle memory: after a while I already know when an icon is before it appears so I can open it without searching for it.

And the changes actually impact productivity for those who have muscle memory; it now takes two swipes up from the home screen to get to your list of all apps. They already had one line on the all apps page dedicated to a list of apps they're predicting you'll want. Now they have a second line on that screen dedicated to actions they think you'll want to take. I hate this change. Of course you can shove more icons on…

>it now takes two swipes up from the home screen to get to your list of all apps.

You can get to the library by continuing to swipe up. You don't need to lift your finger.

Re: Android P

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #282
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #204

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> The platform that those apps run on is just as open now as it was in the G1 days. It never was open. Sure, Google ups a bunch of source code to AOSP after the release of a new version but there is no actual OSS-style development going on. All development is behind closed doors, only done by Google and the public cannot contribute. I cannot check out the latest development version of Android from github, fix some is…

Agreed. It might have made sense to do development behind closed doors in the early days with the mobile patent war raging, but now that most advances are in apps and services on top of the platform instead of in the platform itself and now that Apple is way behind in features and usability and has no way to catch up, they might as well switch to the Chrome development model, or at least the Fuchsia model where the r…

> Apple is way behind in features and usability

LOLWUT ? Apple is years ahead of Android.

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Post by prolikewhoa »

angry_octet wrote: post #51

Lots of slick UI stuff, but no meaningful updates to things that are well overdue: - Encryption of specific secrets for each app. - Fine grained control of what information is shared with apps. - Ability to selectively deny particular data (and have the app keep working, e.g by giving it an empty contacts list, fake phone ID, etc). - Ad and js blocking capable browser. Why should installing e.g. the facebook app, all…

Google is partly an advertisement company. Google is not going to allow an ad-blocking browser to be included by default in stock Android images.

Ublock has been fantastic on Firefox for me, even though Firefox isn't as good as Chrome.

Re: Android P

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Post by lern_too_spel »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #314
lern_too_spel wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. It might have made sense to do development behind closed doors in the early days with the mobile patent war raging, but now that most advances are in apps and services on top of the platform instead of in the platform itself and now that Apple is way behind in features and usability and has no way to catch up, they might as well switch to the Chrome development model, or at least the Fuchsia model where the r…

> Apple is way behind in features and usability LOLWUT ? Apple is years ahead of Android.

My team of ten went from majority iPhone to all but two on Pixels with the last two saying they will switch on their next upgrade. It's not due to cost — the iPhone X or the Pixel costs nothing to the employee. It's due to sheer usability.
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