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Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by bogomipz »

will_hughes wrote: post #257

Instagram did this same bullshit to me when I signed up for an account to to follow some photographers. 'Please provide a clear photo of yourself holding your government issued ID, and a piece of paper with the following code handwritten on it'. No, fuck that for a joke. There's this growing trend of everyone wanting your photo and some ID, and then you have no way to verify that information is being kept securely or…

Wow, I am curious was this recently?

This is next level bat shit crazy even by FB's own standards.

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by drewmol »

bricestacey wrote: post #310
benwilber0 wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the KYC (Know Your Customer) laws. Online-only banks like Ally and Simple require the same thing. In fact, every bank requires this. If you opened a bank account in-person some years ago you may not remember but they asked you for your government-issued ID card. It's the same thing.

Instagram isn't a bank

Not yet... Preemptively fulfilling KYC requirements probably eases the barriers to incorporating financial services into the platform. I'm not a fan of this, just thinking out loud

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by oh_sigh »

thisacctforreal wrote: post #293
oh_sigh wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hashes don't necessarily work on the raw bit representation of something. You can have a hash which works on higher level constructs, which for images one solution would be called a perceptual hash.

I thought the accepted term for this was "fingerprint" not "hash".

Hashes produce fingerprints(including perceptual hashes). Most people are talking about cryptographic hash functions when talking about 'hashing' but that is just one type.

There is a wikipedia page for 'perceptual hashing' as well as a number of libraries available which claim to do perceptual hashing, so it may just come down to what kind of crowd you roll with :)

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by vinniejames »

benwilber0 wrote: post #309
will_hughes wrote: post #257

Instagram did this same bullshit to me when I signed up for an account to to follow some photographers. 'Please provide a clear photo of yourself holding your government issued ID, and a piece of paper with the following code handwritten on it'. No, fuck that for a joke. There's this growing trend of everyone wanting your photo and some ID, and then you have no way to verify that information is being kept securely or…

This is the KYC (Know Your Customer) laws. Online-only banks like Ally and Simple require the same thing. In fact, every bank requires this. If you opened a bank account in-person some years ago you may not remember but they asked you for your government-issued ID card. It's the same thing.

Pretty far from the same thing buddy, do some research

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by bricestacey »

drewmol wrote: post #312
bricestacey wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instagram isn't a bank

Not yet... Preemptively fulfilling KYC requirements probably eases the barriers to incorporating financial services into the platform. I'm not a fan of this, just thinking out loud

It seems like a stretch to think Instagram is entering the financial services space. Facebook owns Insta and Messenger already offers payments. It's probably more likely that Instagram is using traditional KYC tools, probably developed for other parts of the Facebook ecosystem, to influence other KPIs such as the number of bots in the system. But that's just my own guess as well.

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by rdiddly »

jstanley wrote: post #262
rdiddly wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, that's in the article. They say they'll hash it and delete it (the photo). They don't claim they'll delete the hash. Having the hash is enough to check for uniqueness. Although it's sort of an over-strict definition of uniqueness. Example: I change one pixel → That produces a drastically different hash → That makes the almost-identical photo seem unique. I'd be surprised if they weren't extracting other info fro…

> I change one pixel → That produces a drastically different hash If they're hashing the raw bytes, sure. If they're hashing a representation of the face that encodes meaning (like the relative locations of facial features), then changing one pixel is unlikely to affect that.

Indeed - lots of things could be concealed in that phrase "the photos are hashed!"

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by will_hughes »

bogomipz wrote: post #311
will_hughes wrote: post #257

Instagram did this same bullshit to me when I signed up for an account to to follow some photographers. 'Please provide a clear photo of yourself holding your government issued ID, and a piece of paper with the following code handwritten on it'. No, fuck that for a joke. There's this growing trend of everyone wanting your photo and some ID, and then you have no way to verify that information is being kept securely or…

Wow, I am curious was this recently? This is next level bat shit crazy even by FB's own standards.

From Instagram? Yeah this year, in May. Newly signed up account, hadn't even done anything with it. I don't think I'd even followed anyone.

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by musage »

abiox wrote: post #236
ProAm wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are way better and safer and less invasive ways to provide this service than uploading a personal photo to a 3rd party website.

> There are way better and safer and less invasive ways in theory or in practice? do these ways have other caveats?

The only safe way is to not take nude pictures in the first place.

What does this FB thing protect against? In practice? Upload the images as a zip file, message "hi, here's X in the nude, remove all fruit from htappletp://linkbananashortener.copearm/84395708345643785 and use "theytrustmedumbzuckerbergfucks" minus the FB founder as password". Yeah, it's a hurdle, but those who want to see the images will take it in a heartbeat, and abusers can still do things like message all mutual "friends", right there on FB. So you gained nothing, and pre-emptively gave FB your nude photos.

Besides, Barrin92 said "If someone sees their own nudes show up on facebook" -- well, nude images aren't allowed on FB anyway, are they? So if you or anyone else can see them, if they're not posted in a private group or private messages, you can just report them, no need to even give away that it's you in them. Then what would stop FB from generating perceptual hashes of these images and removing them site-wide and in the future?

There's so many holes in this that I can't really get mad on behalf of the people who fall for it.

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by quadrangle »

I have to say: as much as I probably agree with every critic of this… The damn thing is called FACEbook, so it would almost be wrong for them not to do this!

(I don't know a mark for whatever this is, it's not sarcasm or irony, something about tragic comedy fate…)

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by CamperBob2 »

benwilber0 wrote: post #309
will_hughes wrote: post #257

Instagram did this same bullshit to me when I signed up for an account to to follow some photographers. 'Please provide a clear photo of yourself holding your government issued ID, and a piece of paper with the following code handwritten on it'. No, fuck that for a joke. There's this growing trend of everyone wanting your photo and some ID, and then you have no way to verify that information is being kept securely or…

This is the KYC (Know Your Customer) laws. Online-only banks like Ally and Simple require the same thing. In fact, every bank requires this. If you opened a bank account in-person some years ago you may not remember but they asked you for your government-issued ID card. It's the same thing.

KYC doesn't require a photo, does it?
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