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Re: Tesla Roadster

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Post by tomseldon »

onion2k wrote: post #138
bwang29 wrote: post #19

I'm thinking what this means to gas car makers. Wave 1: "It's all about legacy and prestige, not speed/acceleration". Wave 2: "The track handling isn't all that good, how can drivers take that corner at full power without losing traction". Wave 3: "Alright, we will go electric too".

Volvo have already announced their lineup will all be electric by 2022.

A few places have reported this, but it's slightly misleading as what they've actually said is they'll stop making "gas only" cars by that date. So, a mix of hybrid or all electric.

That might have been what you meant, but just pointing out that it's not necessarily "all electric".

Re: Tesla Roadster

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Post by rythie »

adamlett wrote: post #254
digitalzombie wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does this mean that Tesla is pivoting from their attempt to produce a medium-priced car in quantity and going back to hand-building high-end cars? It's a halo car... Car companies build halo car to get consumers attention to their brand and to sell other models. Nissan didn't have to build the GT-R R35 but it did because it's a halo car. Another example is Toyota LFA.

But why does Tesla need a halo car? They already have the consumers’ attention. Lots of people would buy Teslas today but can’t because Tesla is unable to mass produce the Model 3.

To get featured the list of fastest cars in magazines etc., to go to car shows, to get people into a show room, to get featured on TopGear/The Grand Tour, for kids to talk about at school and so on. All of which boost Tesla's brand (outside the tech echo-chamber, where it is already strong).

Re: Tesla Roadster

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Post by tomseldon »

shaneos wrote: post #103
hu3 wrote: post #69

0-60 mph in 1.9 sec This might sound really stupid. But isn't performing such acceleration on a daily basis close to the limit of harming one's health? I mean micro concussions for example. Really curious because that acceleration is amazing!

Yes, that's a real problem. I took my Model S P85D to the track (fun, but felt really heavy in corners) and had a concussion for 3 weeks afterwards. And that was just Insane mode, not even Ludicrous. The Roadster should come with a health advisory

Similar acceleration figures to a litre sportsbike (though the new Roadster takes it to a faster level again, but still in the same ballpark).

The acceleration is mind-bendingly fast at first, but after a while, you get used to it and it just feels kind of normal. I can't imagine the new Tesla being any different.

Not to play down the achievement at all, those stats are amazing! But highly doubt there's a health risk associated with some mild longitudinal G forces, assuming you're in otherwise good health.

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Post by jon_richards »

ardit33 wrote: post #17

The Tesla roadster specs are insane! No exotic carmaker will be able to match it (taking price as a consideration). (no Ferrari, or Lambo, can get that close. This is Formula 1 acceleration speeds). Plus 620 miles of range, and it is a 4 seater. Expensive as hell, but this is exotic car territory. Base Specs Acceleration 0-60 mph1.9 sec Acceleration 0-100 mph4.2 sec Acceleration 1/4 mile8.8 sec Top SpeedOver 250 mph…

Ah, but do the doors go like this ^(o_o)^ or like this \(o_o)/ not like this

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Post by rubzah »

the_rosentotter wrote: post #294

There has got to be an astroturfing campaign going on here, or the HN crowd is a lot more naive than I thought. Seriously, no one is concerned that Tesla is announcing, not one, but two new products, while they are failing to deliver on all three they are currently producing (in terms of production ramp-up)? What matters more than anything to Tesla is production at scale, but they are busy promising ever more fantast…

It's the software equivalent of adding new exciting features rather than doing boring work on bug fixing and stability.

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Post by simonh »

audunw wrote: post #246
Animats wrote: post #23

Does this mean that Tesla is pivoting from their attempt to produce a medium-priced car in quantity and going back to hand-building high-end cars? Tesla is good at high-end, low volume products. But the Model 3 production fiasco shows they don't know how to do what Detroit and Wolfsburg and Toyota City do. This is in a way a step backwards. Tesla is going back to targeting the 1%. There are lots of little supercar co…

> But the Model 3 production fiasco shows they don't know how to do what Detroit and Wolfsburg and Toyota City do. What fiasco? It was obvious from the start that their schedule was wildly optimistic. But that's probably just Elons way of pushing workers as hard as possible. It's way too early to call the Model 3 a success or failure. Of course it takes a few months to ramp up and stabilize production. It's their fir…

If it's that obvious, how come Tesla didn't know that? Contending that Tesla is incapable of comprehending basic, obvious facts isn't a great way to promote confidence in the company.

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Post by lhnz »

the_rosentotter wrote: post #294

There has got to be an astroturfing campaign going on here, or the HN crowd is a lot more naive than I thought. Seriously, no one is concerned that Tesla is announcing, not one, but two new products, while they are failing to deliver on all three they are currently producing (in terms of production ramp-up)? What matters more than anything to Tesla is production at scale, but they are busy promising ever more fantast…

Elon Musk is an engineer.

If his production line isn't as efficient as it should be it will get fixed 'scientifically'. I'd agree with you if his background was different.

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Post by aerovistae »

the_rosentotter wrote: post #294

There has got to be an astroturfing campaign going on here, or the HN crowd is a lot more naive than I thought. Seriously, no one is concerned that Tesla is announcing, not one, but two new products, while they are failing to deliver on all three they are currently producing (in terms of production ramp-up)? What matters more than anything to Tesla is production at scale, but they are busy promising ever more fantast…

> Seriously, no one is concerned that Tesla is announcing, not one, but two new products, while they are failing to deliver on all three they are currently producing (in terms of production ramp-up)?

It's almost like.....there's nothing to say about Model 3 right now, where the bulk of their effort is going, because it's just a matter of steadily toiling away ramping up production, just like they said all along. It's almost like....a proportionately tiny amount of their engineering resources have been working on these other projects for some time, and they're just announcing them because.....they're ready to be shown off, and are unrelated to the Model 3 progress.

It's almost like....you're determined to cast this in a negative light, like so many others.

Re: Tesla Roadster

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Post by simonh »

audunw wrote: post #246
Animats wrote: post #23

Does this mean that Tesla is pivoting from their attempt to produce a medium-priced car in quantity and going back to hand-building high-end cars? Tesla is good at high-end, low volume products. But the Model 3 production fiasco shows they don't know how to do what Detroit and Wolfsburg and Toyota City do. This is in a way a step backwards. Tesla is going back to targeting the 1%. There are lots of little supercar co…

> But the Model 3 production fiasco shows they don't know how to do what Detroit and Wolfsburg and Toyota City do. What fiasco? It was obvious from the start that their schedule was wildly optimistic. But that's probably just Elons way of pushing workers as hard as possible. It's way too early to call the Model 3 a success or failure. Of course it takes a few months to ramp up and stabilize production. It's their fir…

If it's that obvious, how come Tesla didn't know that? Contending that Tesla is incapable of comprehending basic, obvious facts isn't a great way to promote confidence in the company.

We're a long way from fiasco territory, sure, but it's also pretty clear Tesla are still quite a way off from getting their production process under control.

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