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Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail

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Re: Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail

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While I love ProtonMail as an effort to popularize security for end-users and trying to come up with smart technologies to achieve that, the whole risk model behind the writeup barely stands scrutiny. What's worrying, ProtonMail (who declare security a first-class feature) use "features" instead of systems to define security of their service. If you think of it for a second, web crypto (protection against intermediar…

PM team here, we just made an account to comment. We actually agree with some of the points made above, but we'd like to add the following commentary... Encrypting email while making it more usable than PGP is hard. There's no getting around that. Web crypto is always going to have some shortcomings, but web mail is on the rise, and at the end of the day, web crypto is better than no crypto. That said, we have been w…

>web crypto is better than no crypto.

I seriously disagree on this (our company is facing similar challenges, and I've asked these question myself numerous times). It's not better, it's much worse.

"Some crypto" creates illusion of security, where you don't really know has it failed or not - frequently, there is no functional failure in cryptographic failure. It doesn't stop working, it stops providing the very guarantees you're using it for.

> However, we think that not playing is taking the easy way out, so even though the game is 'rigged' against us, we have a great team of engineers who have decided to play anyways.

Truly so, but you need to play better then ;) Godspeed!

Re: Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail

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What are the security guarantees when emailing someone who does not use ProtonMail? If there is an encrypted mode, can this mode be turned off? This is critically important, and yet most of these email providers who talk up their security fail to bring it up. This article is the same.

From the article: "ProtonMail can also support sending/receiving end-to-end encrypted messages with recipients who are not using ProtonMail."

The article doesn't make it clear what this support looks like. If it's optional and complicated, people are not going to use it. And if it's different than what ProtonMail uses internally, all the promises about security might not apply.

Re: Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail

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zero knowledge encryption means that there's no search functionality right?

IIRC, you can do search with some homeomorphic encryption schemes, in theory. In practice, yea, no search.

Yeah, but last time I checked homomorphic encryption was very very slow.

Re: Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail

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post #228

So, do they employ spam filters and they can still read messages before they encrypt them if the come from a third source, right?

Yes and yes. The utility is not in magically making every email sent to or from you unreadable to 3rd parties. The utility is purely on the side or privacy intrusion: be it via court order or hacker. Nobody can compel them to decrypt any messages that have been sent to or from you and stored on their servers. Protonmail will NOT: Prevent interception of your messages by 3rd-party MITM attacks. Protonmail WILL: Protec…

My point is being that they could be compelled to hand over all future messages to your account, because if they are doing spam detection then they will have it in a readable unencrypted state.
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