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Analyzing HN moderation and censorship

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Re: Analyzing HN moderation and censorship

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Not when the party wanting to ensure it is YC and HN.

There are always "XYZ startup in some godforsaken place in California is hiring" posts that I have to go through and hide.

I honestly wish we could comment and discuss the merits of the job, the company, and the location.

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I was actually going to build a tool that scrapes HN every couple minutes and looks for stories that were hot (on the front page) and then drops by 20+ slots. I've happened to be involved in a couple threads where this inexplicably happened, and I was unhappy to see the discussion being muted (people previously involved continued commenting, but no new people saw/joined the thread). I was going to show the buried pos…

Why don't you just look at https://news.ycombinator.com/active ? (via https://news.ycombinator.com/lists ). Most if not almost all of those stories show up there. Btw since you brought up the point, we moderate stories less, not more, when they're about YC or YC-funded companies. That's literally the first rule of HN moderation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=... That doesn't mean we don'…

Is there an index of these different views? Today I learned about two more of these seemingly-undocumented URLs. Another being Favorites (which are apparently public): https://news.ycombinator.com/favorites?id=dang

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In this thread, some people are complaining of moderators downvoting (lowering the rank) of some submissions over others; and at least one person says "let the readers decide". I think that if I wanted a forum/news site where "the readers decide" and ONLY the readers decide, i'd go to Reddit. No thanks, i prefer HN due to the behind-the-scenes 'curation' or choice of content, which so far usually gives very interesti…

Luckily the community largely self-moderates and comments are generally very high value. At the moment we don't appear to have a significant troll problem. Reddit was like this almost 10 years ago. This is the bliss of obscurity. We should hold a wake for Reddit 2010. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=reddit,h... (though I doubt people coming to this site actually google it) Supposedly if you find t…

I was under the impression this site grew by word of mouth and that advertising it to any and everyone was a bit antithetical to then purpose of the site.

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I never gave thought to the moderator position till this analysis. I wonder if it is a full time job. Do other sites have full time moderators? Moderators are needed, of course and im glad i am not one. But i can only imagine how much of a burn out job with little satisfaction it must be. Like data entry jobs in the past. To compare and contrast, if you are a construction worker making residential housing, you and se…

Moderators are needed, of course and im glad i am not one. But i can only imagine how much of a burn out job with little satisfaction it must be. Like data entry jobs in the past.

I'm one of the moderators over on reddit.com/r/AskEngineers.

It is work... that I don't get paid for. Or any kind of reward, really.

But I'm doing it because I want to promote high-quality discussion on various engineering topics. I'm glad when we can help each other out by answering questions.

To be a moderator, ideally you're in it for the long term, by trying to guide your community in a good direction, educate people, uphold standards of good and civil discussion.

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You figured me out! I'm the Executive Vice Chairman In Charge Of User Acquisition Metrics. Ewige Blumenkraft!

Not sure if you're answering in good faith or if it is just a put down. I'll take it as a valid one. Good for you!

Don’t take him to seriously on posts like this.

Tptacek is obviously very smart but IMO can be quite mean at times in his political posts.

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> I think that if I wanted a forum/news site where "the readers decide" and ONLY the readers decide, i'd go to Reddit. The Reddit mods and admins are notoriously censorious. If you want minimal moderation, you would need to go to the anonymous imageboards. The content produced there is better in some ways, worse in many.

Agree so much. Any voting system is going to create bubbles. Head over to 4chan and you will get to interact with all sorts of different opinions.

Imageboards have a clickbait-based bubble. To survive on a busy board, you need to create a post that captures attention.

Hence, the effect of 4chan on the Internet — its top posters are the edge of the troll evolution.

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Almost all my karma comes from simple name recognition. None of it is merit. I think we should get rid of the dumb scores.

Almost all my karma comes from simple name recognition. None of it is merit. If that's true, that's disappointing. I occasionally upvote your comments... when they're good.

I mean, thanks, and I do try really hard not to write crap. But there are people that follow my comments here --- I know because I'll sometimes reply to an old stale comment and see my reply +1'd within minutes --- and nothing I write stays negative for long. I think I do a decent job of writing here (unfortunately, it's really the only place I write anymore), but the "reward" I get for it is clearly compounded somehow.

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I think my point is pretty clear. In arguing that CNN's decision not to air your opinions in prime time is legitimate while HN's decision to be selective about what they'll provide a venue for isn't, you've accepted unquestioningly CNN's constraints while dismissing HN's. In both cases, you're applying an enormous amount of subjectivity. But you'd prefer not to acknowledge that, and so have instead attempted to refra…

HN and CNN are different mediums, use different designs, and have different limitations. As such I have different expectations of them. I'm starting to lose my patience with you. I think you are intentionally being obstuse and I don't appreciate it.

For what it’s worth: to the extent that you keep answering “but you refuse to apply your own logic to (any other medium, without reason as to why)”, I think a lot of people in this thread believe that -you’re- not debating in good faith. You can only handwave an argument away with “but different medium” so many times without explaining how a change in medium changes the relevant logic.

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There are no paid submissions to HN, nor is there an elaborate conspiracy between HN and "certain media orgs" to get paywalled links onto the front page. This is the sort of nonsense tangent crud that the mods would normally zap to the bottom of the thread as "off topic". But they probably won't here, because it concerns their own moderation, and they're generally loathe to intervene --- even to clean up the threads…

> There are no paid submissions to HN I don't mean to derail your point (because it's valid) but I don't believe this statement is true. YC companies can pay[0] to get recruitment posts on the frontpage of HN. [0]Note - I'm almost certain YC companies pay for this in some form (wether by cash or some other form) and would be happy for a YC company to confirm/deny.

Job posts are a perk for YC companies. They do not pay for it.

IIRC YC companies can submit job postings to a queue and a limited number of them are published per day. Their position slowly decreases over a period of time until they're off the front page.

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More likely just the fact that I can't recall an active HN conversation which tptacek didn't post in. It's kinda easier to rack up a high karma when you have a LOT of comments to upvote. His account is also about to hit it's tenth anniversary of it's creation in about a week and a half. He actually only picks up about 78 karma a day average.

Almost all my karma comes from simple name recognition. None of it is merit. I think we should get rid of the dumb scores.

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