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Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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I've been joking lately that there is a new one syllable word for "personal computer": phone. At the current rate that's how the language will shift. I suppose we'll know if people start referring to things like "macOS deskphones" and think "laptop" always meant "laptop phone". :) It's like those futurist ads from the 50s (and 80s/90s) AT&T that soon there will be phones capable of amazing things everywhere in our li…

Mobile phones are called "Handys" in German. It's become such a satisfying and appropriate name for handheld computers, as distinct from traditional personal computers. In British English, they've always called cellphones "mobiles", which is also a nice short name for mobile computers.

I spent a lot of time (months each year, for 5 years) in Berlin and never heard this... FWIW

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Many companies are betting that phones will be phased out for augmented reality glasses. Magic Leap, Microsoft, Facebook, Google, and Apple all have teams working on it.

People expect these devices to accept sim cards, will this break the confusion? My Smartglasses are a personal computer that also has phone functionality.

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I was about to comment, it is very annoying to write on a tablet for any kind of school length work. I would hate to write an essay on a tablet. Then I realized I have installed Dragon on this computer, and there wasn't even a reason for me to type this reply. So I will risk a guess and assume that in the future essays will be spoken, not written. No doubt there will be an epic fight over this, as people try to defen…

Hello, computer. Integer main open parenthesis void close parenthesis open squigly brace. Newline. Bob, find some earphones and stop complaining. I'm​ not the one that pushed for open-plan. Computer, please delete the previous paragraph. Standard colon colon cee out less than less than double quote capital hello world exclamation point double quote semi-colon. Newline. Close squigly brace.

See this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkdfdXWYaI

> In a fast-paced live demo, I will create a small system using Python, plus a few other languages for good measure, and deploy it without touching the keyboard. The demo gods will make a scheduled appearance. I hope to convince you that voice recognition is no longer a crutch for the disabled or limited to plain prose. It's now a highly effective tool that could benefit all programmers.

Turns out it's doable, you just need to invent your own language.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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One thought. A company like WileyFox must spend significant bucks to provide after-the-fact engineering to provide updates. It would be a classic error to underestimate the cost of ongoing engineering, and provide a lower up front cost, then be strapped for cash later. At that point, WileyFox management needs a revenue stream to provide the engineering to push 7.1.1. It would - again I am guessing - typically turn to outside companies who pay for placement, like the dialer. Those companies make money by selling data.

Thus I am not surprised that this is happening, although I had not heard of WileyFox until today. It's also possibly WileyFox is greedy, but I'm going with incompetence; I will believe first that someone made a mistake in pricing and planning, and they're looking for the best outcome for customers, company, brand.

I am, perhaps uncomfortably, saying that "you got an unexpectedly low price" going with a company like WileyFox. They gave you a cheaper phone, and frequent updates, and now they need to pay for it. They could either start charging subscriptions for the 7.1.1 update ( which would be fair, no? ), or they could do what they are doing by making a deal with what sounds like a shady dialer company, or they could bail out and not provide the updates they promised ( like most handset providers do ).

I could get all high-horse about software consumers being trained to expect free software. That expectation being set by the billions of dollars in VC money that has been spent to capture markets - markets that later require "exploitation". But I won't go there - it's a complicated argument, there are other market forces, there are models that work, companies can be "up front" about data-driven business models.

My way of saying - you do have to pay for software, you took the 7.1.1 update, you should expect to pay..... right?

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> This leaves me in an unpleasant spot as I, where I can, avoid using google services and now need to find an alternative dialling application. Isn’t this sweet? I am searching for a dialling application for my smartphone. A DIALLING application You bought a Google phone and don't want to use Google services, but complain that the dialler can be provided by a third party? Isn't that a good thing?

I take the complaint as different: he _can't_ replace the dialer. WileyFox replaced the dialer with one that snoops, presumably WF was paid compensation for the switch, the poster can't uninstall or change.

While WF's choice is perhaps sad, the plug gable architecture should allow the poster to switch --- but the dialer can't be switched!

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https://www.wileyfox.com/the-brand >UNRIVALLED PRIVACY AND SECURITY >Choose precisely the data you wish to share; protect apps with additional PINs; prevent spam with Truecaller Integrated Dialler. So their idea of privacy is privacy from everyone except the manufacturer (and "trusted" third parties) >Of course, you can always root the phone and install custom roms. But this process takes some time and the developmen…

FWIW their phones originally ran CyanogenOS. They're in the process of updating to stock android [1], after cyanogen's recent layoffs/pivot/rebranding/disaster [2]. [1] http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12/31/after-cyanogen-colla... [2] http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/11/28/cyanogen-inc-will-sh...

This.

CyanogenOS couldn't make money, and WF has trouble making money, because everyone else subsidises the cost of the handset and software by selling data.

If you want to provide what they claim - unparalleled security and privacy - you have to charge more, or charge a phone subscription fee for updates, or something.

One can't expect to get subsidized-by-data-selling prices, and have no data selling.

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Skynet v. 0.1 didn't build itself. Clearly, though, once it becomes a minimum viable product, it will produce the next generations of itself. Or will it? If it's an AI intent on approximating human speech processing, why should it be any good at programming? See also https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9658524/1/Branches-on-the-Tree-... .

I wonder what makes people think that an AI needs to be able to code to improve itself. I don't see infant brains "programming" themselves to get better. The next step in programming is probably not anything like programming. Machine learning certainly isn't. Creating a neural net that achieves superhuman image recognition takes 30 lines of code in keras. And terabytes of training data. But the programming doesn't lo…

You build a metaoptimizer. The metaoptimizer decides which new layers are necessary, and whether the cost of "buying new neurons" ( adding compute instances & storage ) is worth the benefits to the high level optimization functions. ( or pruning / reallocating ). Meta-optimization is clearly a thing, it's in the research papers, and once you build a good one, you're done programming.

My new prediction is Skynet will come out of the financial bots. It solves the money problem, because those bots will become financially self-sufficient quickly.

Regrettably, the target function is "make money" which will cause our next-gen species to be psychopathic and uninterested in human life, except, in the short term, as a market to be plundered. Not a good outcome.

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This is exactly the problem with technology. Asshole companies have to productify everything . It's not about being paranoid, it's about operational simplicity. Dialing a phone is dialing a phone; not everyone wants Google to think for them The act of punching in a number should not require any outside services or assistance or requirements. If there are value-added components to add then they can manifest as modular…

"Dialing" a phone is niche functionality that most people don't use anymore - generally, people don't know phone numbers anymore, they don't really see them, and they definitely don't use them, they just tap on a name or face in their contact list. A phone number is an identifier that you use once when obtaining a contact (or it gets shared by someone, so you don't enter it even that one time). If a phone actually re…

Not so sure about this... just yesterday I got stuck behind a freight forwarding truck that was labelled with only the company name, a list of destination ports, and a phone number.

Lawyers, doctors, and bail-bondsmen still advertise via their phone number. Entire generations still go to phone numbers as their primary means of reaching someone remotely.

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>So it looks like the free market is working in this case. That is not necessarily a good thing.

Why not?

Free markets are just a tool we came up with to serve us, the general public. Where they don't, we don't let them operate. A public utility should not be operating in a free market (and I'm glad they don't).

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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One of the central complaints in the blog post is that it's too hard to get your hands on an Android phone that doesn't come with impossible-to-remove bloatware. I've been amazed and annoyed by this too.

I understand all the reasons why manufacturers add these apps to the phone. But still, I would gladly buy a phone that came with a stripped down version of Android, no bloatware, and received regular updates and security patches.

Sure, you can root your phone, and there are various ROMs out there that you can install. But as someone who's never done this it seems kind of complicated and annoying.

I want a simple experience where it just works right out of the box. Heck, I'd be happy if to buy a phone from someone who just resells devices after flashing a decent ROM onto them and makes updates easy somehow.

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