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Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by Karunamon »

mkesper wrote: post #241
Karunamon wrote: post #183

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Please don't. All you're doing is polluting the data at Spamcop and violating their terms anyways. https://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/125.html Bulk email can be split into two categories: Opt-in and Opt-out. Opt-in is email that an individual requested or agreed to receive. Many legitimate mailers use opt-in methods for marketing. Individuals are responsible for reading and understanding a company's privacy poli…

This practice is clearly not opt-in! There's no button "please spam me with all future newsletters we invent" you have set yourself.

Permission is granted company by company, not topic by topic. I get that "spam" has become throwaway shorthand for "email I'd rather not receive", but that is not the definition used by law and by antispam groups.

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Post by bigbugbag »

nom wrote: post #221
el_benhameen wrote: post #211

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Going forward, you can append "+whatever" to the username portion of your email address, e.g. You+spam@gmail.com, and gmail and most other providers I've used will ignore that part. Use it to trace the sharing of that address. I used that when signing up for a particular mailing list and found that my address was shared with about a dozen other marketers.

People have learned that you can simply strip that part out of the address... it's in the standard. If you want to know where your data leaked out, you should use a different email every time (e.g. use your own domains).

I'm still surprised that so few people know about www.spamgourmet.com it's been around for 15+ years and offers the exact feature you're talking about. You don't even have to create the alias, it will be created on first use.

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Post by bigbugbag »

bunderbunder wrote: post #160
cm2187 wrote: post #92

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If it was only about the security update. But in the case of iOS it is not. It's is the opportunity to start the nagging all over again. Please start using iCloud. Let's use Apple Pay now. Let's use Apple Music. On every single minor "security" update...

Or how about popping a dialog to inform me that cellular data is disabled for $app every time I open it while not connected to wifi, even though $app most certainly does not require access to data in order to work. I'm of the "avoid popups at all cost" school of UI design. As soon as you let developers have modal UI that isn't meant to accomplish a specific, user-initiated task, they will immediately start using that…

Usually $app actually requires access to internet for stuff you are unaware of.

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Post by bigbugbag »

tgb wrote: post #185
artursapek wrote: post #64

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There's a tumblr for that! They call it "confirm shaming". http://confirmshaming.tumblr.com/ And yeah, it's UX cancer.

This one might be the best: https://copyhackers.com/2014/01/fallen-scuzzy-design-trend-p... (Note the content of the article, then move your mouse up to try to go to close the tab. Irony!)

what is supposed to happen ? I moved the pointer and closed the tab without anything happening.

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Post by tgb »

bigbugbag wrote: post #314
tgb wrote: post #185

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This one might be the best: https://copyhackers.com/2014/01/fallen-scuzzy-design-trend-p... (Note the content of the article, then move your mouse up to try to go to close the tab. Irony!)

what is supposed to happen ? I moved the pointer and closed the tab without anything happening.

A popup which shows this dark pattern. Try it again in a private/incognito tab since it'll only do it the first time. Or don't bother: it's not exactly super exciting.

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Post by wernercd »

walterbell wrote: post #202
wernercd wrote: post #175

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Security update? 9.3.4 => 9.3.5? That's an update 9.3.5 => 10.0 is not a "security update". Constant nagware until you update is asinine. "Update Now or Later?"... f * you, I don't like what I see in 10... but I'm stuck with dancing around daily fucking warnings. I swear... I'm not bitter :) I also won't buy another iPhone.

Workaround: the iOS10 update requires 1GB of space. The nag only appears if the update has been auto-downloaded. Use "Manage Storage" to delete the 1GB update file for iOS10. THen load enough music/video on your iPhone so there is less than 1GB space. Presto, no more iOS10 download (won't fit) and no more nagging.

My problem with that is the dance you have to do after words...

* It won't download over cell towers * It won't download if less than 1GB available on phone

Now, I've got to balance my space to within 1gb and minimize time outside of that while on Wifi.

Swap out audio books? Take too many pictures/videos? Podcast downloads? Game/App downloads?

I know this option exists... and it's just as crappy - if not more so - than clicking "No" every day.

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Post by Hydraulix989 »

tremon wrote: post #256
Hydraulix989 wrote: post #155

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No need to throw shade without knowing specifics.

You already threw shade when you declared yourself "guilty", and you readily admit it is against Apple's policies.

That's simply not true. Moreover, there are some people with pretty strong arguments who do not even THINK this should be considered a dark pattern.

However, it doesn't seem like you are interested in furthering this discussion. Would you have rather I not posted at all?

There are many YC companies listed on this Dark Patterns site, and their founders definitely frequent this form. So far everyone else has been completely mum.

Given that you are on YC's community web site, may I suggest using some tact?

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Post by nulbyte »

prawn wrote: post #58
pesfandiar wrote: post #41

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There's another brilliant app rating pattern (perhaps a dark one). A dialog pops up and asks if I loved their app. A "yes" takes me to the marketplace for rating, but a "no" only allows me to send them feedback. It both positively skews the ratings and collects feedback from disgruntled users.

And you almost need to this because app store reviews are so deadly otherwise. You have no way to respond to reviewers (who've had problems) as you might on TripAdvisor and virtually no one goes out of their way to find an option to send feedback before going nuclear in a review.

The Google Play store, at least, allows developers to reply directly to reviews. Others can see their reply as well.

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Post by srstanic »

nilved wrote: post #167
GrinningFool wrote: post #121

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Which benefits everyone if the problem is a simple thing you can resolve by helping them directly. Support is also part of the experience, and good customer support should factor into the review as well. I can see how you'd see this as providing a positive bias, but I see it more like getting a chance to see if you can't help the customer out before they give up on your app. It also reminds the customer that there ar…

Maybe using a dark pattern here is an effective way to fight fire with fire, but that doesn't make it less of a dark pattern.

Users with negative experience are more inclined to leave a rating than users with a positive experience, which makes the ratings not reflecting the reality of the overall user experience in the first place. (http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/232559/The_Mobile_Marketers_Gu...)

This technique is a genuine way to encourage sharing positive experiences about the app. In the same time, it offers a chance to the app provider to improve a bad user experience.

Whether it's a dark pattern or not, I think really depends on the motives, are you genuinely trying to make the app better or are you only interested in the people's perception of it.

Here is a great article on the topic which discusses the same issue: https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2014/06/a-better-way-to-req...

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Post by ionised »

johansch wrote: post #26

My pet peeve: If you add a credit card to the Uber app there is no way to remove it without replacing it with another valid payment method. If you google solutions to this you get third party recommendations to plead with their customer service to have it removed. Seriously? This customer-hostile approach really needs to be killed.

PayPal does this too last time I checked (admittedly about a year ago).

It is frustrating as fuck.

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