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Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Sure. Set up a date over email for an initial phone screen with the recruiter. Left work early to make the appointment at home. Recruiter never called. Asked WTF, got an apology and another appointment for next week. Recruiter missed that one, too (really). Finally made a connection a few days later, got bizarre questions like "estimate 2^14 (or something) in decimal". Did poorly on that, so they forwarded me to anot…

Sounds pretty much like my experience with Google. I'm an embedded programmer with a EE degree, not a CS degree, and they hammered me with a bunch of algorithm questions like you said. I'm not even interested in (nor qualified for) heavy-CS type work; I thought maybe they'd want me for more low-level stuff or doing some kind of work with hardware, custom OS or driver development, etc. But as I said above, don't paint…

Haha, yeah, I do systems development, not far from your area of work, I imagine. I have a CS degree, but I hated doing it. Google seemed to be aiming for CS experts, and I just want to make computers do cool/useful stuff.

Of course, there's other disadvantages to working for big companies. Lots of dead weight (see: that recruiter I worked with), lots of rules, a lack of trust, lots of bureaucracy... I'd do it if I have to, but the small company vibe works way better for me.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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I know someone at HP who suddenly had to go in to work. This put him in a situation where he had to pay thousands for day care and he threatened to leave until they finally let him work from home again.

So, an employee was doubling as a full time care giver for his children while remote working? That sounds like exactly the kind of practice that gives remote work policies a bad name in the first place. If I found out one of my employees was taking care of his kids while working at home, you better believe it would result in a conversation and a possible revocation of his use of the remote work policy.

Would you care to share where you work, so I can mark it down as a nightmarish hellhole I should forever shun?

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> That's not really about the review process, but about making one of the biggest mistakes you can make: After you know your manager doesn't like you, you didn't do everything in your power to either switch teams or change companies. The biggest career advice you can take: it never gets better, there is no good fight, and you should flee to save yourself. I expect the parent post [edit: iamleppert] was blameless, but…

> The biggest career advice you can take: it never gets better, there is no good fight, and you should flee to save yourself. This is demonstrably false since a lot of people like their jobs (that includes me and, anecdotally, most of the people I work with)

I think the unwritten qualification is "If it's a bad environment".

"If it's a bad environment -- it never gets better, there is no good fight, and you should flee to save yourself."

It's very possible to find places that are good to work at. It's highly unlikely for a shitty environment to get significantly better.

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I'd love to hear the explanation for how checking up on a toddler every so often is akin to him grossly neglecting his job.

Do you have a toddler? I'm not a parent but my understanding is that you can't expect them to just play quietly by themselves for any more than short stretches.

Depends on the toddler, and on the age.

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So, an employee was doubling as a full time care giver for his children while remote working? That sounds like exactly the kind of practice that gives remote work policies a bad name in the first place. If I found out one of my employees was taking care of his kids while working at home, you better believe it would result in a conversation and a possible revocation of his use of the remote work policy.

You're ignoring their effectiveness. Maybe they work better without coworker interruptions and in a familiar space, which offsets any negatives of caregiving. And even still, who cares?! Do you actually have a good handle on how many of your employees just read HN or Reddit for half a day? Unaccounted for smoke breaks? Having to make personal calls while on the clock? Humans aren't automatons.

>And even still, who cares?! Do you actually have a good handle on how many of your employees just read HN or Reddit for half a day? Unaccounted for smoke breaks? Having to make personal calls while on the clock?

Don't need a handle on it if you block access to them.

But my work found that blocking Reddit/Facebook actually made less work get done: people couldn't spend 5-10 minutes to unwind and then plug back in and work. That policy lasted a single week.

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Maybe the goal is to send a specific type of social signal so people like you can self-select themselves out of his life? The term isn't pejorative. So, chill out.

It kinda is.

Is "Whites" pejorative? Is "Latinos" pejorative? Why is "" more pejorative than " + people" ?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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I don't deny that the situation must be analyzed carefully but going from "less than 20 percent female" to "more than 80 percent female" in less than 2 years leaves little room for doubt. Also this adds up to the undisclosed security breach and the fact that Yahoo secretly scanned emails for US Intel.. Not a very defensible behavior.

You had no problem with them being 80% male?

Is there any evidence that that is due to sexism?

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Going from less than 20 percent female to more than 80 percent female is being exactly as discriminatory , though. You should have been offended all along, right?

Not necessarily. If your candidates are 80% men and 20% women, and your hires are 80% men and 20% women, your process isn't discriminatory. DIscrimination is still happening, but it's somewhere before you in the pipeline. Some would argue that you have an ethical obligation to "reverse discriminate" to mitigate it, but that's much more ambiguous than plain discrimination being bad. On the other hand, if your company…

> DIscrimination is still happening, but it's somewhere before you in the pipeline.

Not necessarily. Maybe men are just more likely to be interested in tech, spend time tinkering with computers as young boys, etc.

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> The biggest career advice you can take: it never gets better, there is no good fight, and you should flee to save yourself. This is demonstrably false since a lot of people like their jobs (that includes me and, anecdotally, most of the people I work with)

I think the unwritten qualification is "If it's a bad environment". "If it's a bad environment -- it never gets better, there is no good fight, and you should flee to save yourself." It's very possible to find places that are good to work at. It's highly unlikely for a shitty environment to get significantly better.

Yes. you are correct. Since I was replying to someone who was in a bad environment, I was referring to that case.

> It's very possible to find places that are good to work at. It's highly unlikely for a shitty environment to get significantly better.

Yep.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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I think the unwritten qualification is "If it's a bad environment". "If it's a bad environment -- it never gets better, there is no good fight, and you should flee to save yourself." It's very possible to find places that are good to work at. It's highly unlikely for a shitty environment to get significantly better.

Yes. you are correct. Since I was replying to someone who was in a bad environment, I was referring to that case. > It's very possible to find places that are good to work at. It's highly unlikely for a shitty environment to get significantly better. Yep.

Oh, okay. I misunderstood you. I thought you were just being cynical about work in general.
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