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Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by JadeNB »

zeveb wrote: post #62
coldtea wrote: post #52

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> That's … a bit drastic. Why should Apple have any say over whose software I choose to install on a device once I have bought it from them? So that they can fully control, secure and curate the experience, which is what I am buying Apple phones for. Well, not really (I'm mostly buying them for the hardware and software combo, which I prefer to Android offerings), but I can appreciate that having a single, sandboxed,…

I don't trust Apple to have my best interests at heart. Out of all the people and organisations in the world, only I have my best interests at heart. Thus, only I can be trusted to control, secure and curate my experience.

> Thus, only I can be trusted to control, secure and curate my experience.

I think this is conflating two different meanings of trust. Apple hopes that you will trust them to choose to respect your best interests; but what I think most people are inclined to trust is that they are able to respect your best interests. The vast majority of non-techie users are not able to act in their best interests, even though they (presumably) want to do so.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by spaceribs »

serf wrote: post #215
spaceribs wrote: post #51

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"it's called being smart"

this year there needs to be another option next to the downvote button. 1) Upvote 2) Downvote 3) User made a politically charged comment in a thread that has nothing to do with politics as a way to insert opinions. As for what the third button does. I don't know. It doesn't really even have to do anything, it'd make me feel better just being able to count the appearances of such comments in every thread this election…

To be honest, I was really on the fence about making that comment because of exactly this. It's that raw "slimy but legal so it's ok" attitude that I'm trying to capture.

It's unfortunate that a presidential candidate epitomizes that sentiment, but that's what comes to mind when I hear something like "It's just business".

Edit: now I need to go and rewatch "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room"

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

enraged_camel wrote: post #282
vbezhenar wrote: post #238

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Human support is supposed to help them. What I found unacceptable is "We are banning you and we won't tell you anything about it". This pattern is extremely common. And extremely frustrating. You can't put one in jail without telling why (and right to defend). In many developed countries you can't even fire a worker without a solid reason. It should be prohibited for companies to halt service someone without providin…

>>It should be prohibited for companies to halt service someone without providing a reasonable explanation. What a terrible idea.

well depending on the service you are not allowed to halt that service for various reasons - for example you can't halt or refuse to provide service in just about anything for reasons of race in countries whose legal systems I am familiar with, therefore there is some requirement to provide a reasonable explanation for refusal of service in almost any business - it just so happens that an app store type business seems different enough that it does not have to provide the same level of explanation.

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Post by vacri »

kstrauser wrote: post #136
duncanawoods wrote: post #89

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>> The EU thinks that they can post-facto change the law to effect Irish companies. This is illegal and immoral. You are severely misinformed. Ireland broke rules it agreed to under treaty in order to join the single market that have been enforced for decades, often regarding EU based companies. State aid is defined as giving advantages to one company but not others, thereby distorting competitive markets. Ireland is…

I'm in no way a Google fanboy: I'm typing this on my Mac, in Safari, which has DuckDuckGo set its search engine. But I think it's kind of nuts that Google could negotiate a tax arrangement with an entity and abide by it in good faith, then have another entity come along and say "your terms are invalid. You owe more in taxes now." For instance, suppose I were the CEO of a company that negotiated a deal with, say, Utah…

Are you seriously suggesting that the Apple and Google negotiators aren't aware that they're bending the laws to their limits? It's pretty far from the innocent 'good faith' that you're suggesting, and better described by the term 'back-room dealing'.

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Post by cageface »

krschultz wrote: post #13
DiabloD3 wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the EU goes after Google for allowing third party stores (Samsung, Amazon, Nvidia, etc) and sideloaded APKs and allows you to build your own APKs for free... ... but Apple just randomly removes apps that people have purchased from the Apple Store (thus stealing their money and their product, doing everything short of uninstalling it, but preventing reinstallation), and the EU stays silent? This…

I simply don't understand this either. Sure Android has the larger market share by units, but Apple has a much higher share of revenue & profit in the market. Which is really the proper measure of market power?

Apple apologists will pick whichever metric suits the current argument.

Suing Google for running a far more open platform while Apple continues to exert as least as much if not more control on the direction of the market is just another case of misguided European regulatory overreach.

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Post by giarc »

izacus wrote: post #146
giarc wrote: post #81

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I wouldn't expect Apple to understand compliance for every possible use case. Apple doesn't have to bend their rules to comply with apps that want to comply with local/state/provincial/federal laws, they can just say "We don't support x feature, and therefore you can't distribute through our store."

> I wouldn't expect Apple to understand compliance for every possible use case. Wait, you're actually saying that the richest business entity on the world can't be expected to employ people that use their brain and do a bit of fact checking on outlying cases?

No I'm not saying that. Let's take an example. Let's say a local government wants to deploy iPhones to all their staff but as part of their local laws, all communication on government owned equipment can be monitored. So a developer writes up an app to record all typing on the iPhone (this is a hypothetical). They submit to Apple and Apple rejects this because it's against their policies (apps are sandboxed and wouldn't really be able to do this, but you get the point). Apple shouldn't be forced to comply with this local requirement, nor could they since every single government or private business would have different pieces of compliance. It would be impossible for them to develop an operating system that would allow for all these corner cases.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by vacri »

serf wrote: post #215
spaceribs wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"it's called being smart"

this year there needs to be another option next to the downvote button. 1) Upvote 2) Downvote 3) User made a politically charged comment in a thread that has nothing to do with politics as a way to insert opinions. As for what the third button does. I don't know. It doesn't really even have to do anything, it'd make me feel better just being able to count the appearances of such comments in every thread this election…

Click on a comment's timestamp, and you get the option to 'flag' it (requires a certain amount of karma though)

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Post by brazzledazzle »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #300
jeremyjh wrote: post #190

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That isn't how you deal with fraudsters. You tell them nothing, complete stonewall. Anything you say about why they were flagged will assist them in not getting flagged next time, so you tell them nothing. Some non-zero percent of time you will flag the wrong person and start a social media shit storm but that's just the cost of doing business.

> That isn't how you deal with fraudsters. You tell them nothing, complete stonewall. And you deal with murderers by putting them in prison, which is equally irrelevant because the person in question is neither.

It would be terrible if his source code or build system/process was carefully subverted by an attacker. With Apple stonewalling him he'd never know.
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