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Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by gdwatson »

FeatureRush wrote: post #263
kmonsen wrote: post #239

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Why are you specifying it was a woman?

[I'm not OP] Does one have to always make sure not to mention gender in English? I'm from Poland and in Polish you mention it all the time unless you specifically go out of your way not to do so. Before I've seen people criticized for translating "programistka" as "female programmer" and there was that proposal for some NLP library the other day, to drop any functionality detecting gender... And doing that to Polish…

AWildDHHAppears' post is idiomatic English.

It's not usual to avoid any mention of gender in English; some people avoid it for political reasons. But when you're translating a gender-marked word into an English equivalent which is not marked for gender, it's not idiomatic to add another word to indicate gender unless it's relevant to the topic at hand.

English lost most of its grammatical gender centuries ago. Since the 1960s and 1970s the parts that remain have become politically fraught in some circles, but usage varies by community. Unless you're deliberately wading into that fight, I'd stick to the way you were taught.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by alexbanks »

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #303
mildbow wrote: post #295

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Sure. But a good writer does not mean an inoffensive one. If pressed, I would even argue that the opposite is that case. You are so off the mark that you must be trolling or "receded".

Being offensive is certainly a choice but not on this forum if I remember the rules correctly. I am not trolling, I am merely saying that a good writer should take responsibility for his choice of words.

They did, by keeping the word and bailing on the host.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by jobvandervoort »

iamdave wrote: post #301
jobvandervoort wrote: post #66

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That's a very interesting idea. Right now, to integrate deeply, you'd have to go through the heavy-handed process of creating a service [0]. That then does allow you to do almost anything, but the barrier to entry for that is high. I created an issue for your proposal and hope you can provide some more feedback on how this would work, ideally [1]. [0]: http://docs.gitlab.com/ce/project_services/project_services.... S…

I'm constantly impressed by how involved GitLab engineers are not just on HN but other communities when brought up. Not sure if you guys have people constantly looking for mention of "GitLab" but even if you are, the responsiveness and agreeableness to look into issues and invite people to be a part of the solution they seek out are phenomenal habits and I applaud you guys for it. It's one of the many reasons I conve…

Thanks! Glad to hear that. I wish all companies would be responsive and easy to talk with. We do our best to be both.

> Not sure if you guys have people constantly looking for mention of "GitLab"

We do! Channels straight into chat.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by alexbanks »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #276
alexbanks wrote: post #259

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The point is the same though. Resting a project's livelihood on a company that employed obviously incompetent process/humans/scripts is a risky move, and removing that livelihood from that company makes total sense.

It doesn't sound incompetent to me, there will always be false positives on that scale. Did they remove the OP's repo, or simply send them a message? If a legitimate email gets caught in your spam filter, do you switch email providers? Github and their process/humans/scripts don't sound like the incompetent ones in this scenario. I would be more concerned that my livelihood depended on such an over reactionary compan…

You're injecting a lot of assumptions into your narrative.

My point is simply: if Github is flagging content based on perceived personal morals (not ever being allowed to use the word "retard," even in legitimate contexts), some choose not to associate their work with them.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by pille »

duaneb wrote: post #287
explorigin wrote: post #197

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Go read up on Github user: CoralineAda [1][2] Then consider that GitHub hired her. I would not be surprised if the this automated script and her employment were directly related. [1] https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/954 [2] https://github.com/CoralineAda?tab=activity

I really don't want this to be a witch hunt (not seeing that here, just wary of pointing out individuals)—this is exactly the type of thing a business should take responsibility for as a whole. This was a process failure, IMHO.

Exactly. The point of my comment was just that automation is no excuse for this kind of thing.

For me it's still about the organization, and singling out individuals is about as productive as yelling at customer support on the phone.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by angry-hacker »

cloverich wrote: post #129
pille wrote: post #121

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Maybe she actually could've read the text and figured it out herself before sending out the note? Just firing off a warning based on a simple text match seems high-handed and/or incompetent enough to consider leaving.

Just to be clear, you're saying: "If large company x hires a single incompetent person, that is a good reason to never deal with said company again." I think that's the parents interpretation of OP and hence the "seems like a disproportionate response." (I agree it was absurd to flag the content).

A company shouldn't even waste time for things like that could.

I'm definitely not interested in company I'm paying for investing resources retarded things.

- a happy gitlab user.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by FeatureRush »

gdwatson wrote: post #311
FeatureRush wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[I'm not OP] Does one have to always make sure not to mention gender in English? I'm from Poland and in Polish you mention it all the time unless you specifically go out of your way not to do so. Before I've seen people criticized for translating "programistka" as "female programmer" and there was that proposal for some NLP library the other day, to drop any functionality detecting gender... And doing that to Polish…

AWildDHHAppears' post is idiomatic English. It's not usual to avoid any mention of gender in English; some people avoid it for political reasons. But when you're translating a gender-marked word into an English equivalent which is not marked for gender, it's not idiomatic to add another word to indicate gender unless it's relevant to the topic at hand. English lost most of its grammatical gender centuries ago. Since…

I see, recently I'm seeing people being called out on thoughtlessly mentioning the gender. The 'female programmer' was a lazy translation, agree, but I would've also used 'woman' to describe person who wrote the that e-mail if I know that for a fact that woman was the author and question by kmonsen really got me thinking if that would have wronged someone...

On a side not, I do miss that added context in English, especially in novels, when it's hard to guess just based on the names of the characters. It makes it easier for me to imagine them and evaluate interactions between them.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by pille »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #186
pille wrote: post #153

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That's oversimplification. Even if it is just her own personal incompetence, if GitHub just hired her and let her loose as some kind of independent repo ombudsman to scold users, then yeah, that's a terrible management decision that warrants reconsidering your relationship with them.

We don't even know the whole story. The "woman" who sent the note is most likely just be an automated script.

Even then, they still wrote the automation. It would be a prudent move to involve human review before emailing someone and accusing them of making a bigoted slur.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by sctb »

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #199

"Phase shift varies with frequency and can advance or retard as the frequency changes" I looked up Webster's American English Thesaurus and the antonym for 'advance' in the sense that it's used in your sentence is recede. Here is the same sentence rewritten using recede. "Phase shift varies with frequency and can advance or recede as the frequency changes." This is an easy case where you could have used correct langu…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12232250 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Moving to GitLab: Yes, it's worth it

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Post by DanBC »

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #272
alexbanks wrote: post #261

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But do you not understand that while writing a sentence, it is not the job of the writer to tip toe around the reader's possible negative life experience? It would be near impossible to write about anything if that were the case. Example: In your post you used the phrase "bad memories." I have bad memories of something that happened a week ago. Thus, your post is offensive (by your reasoning). Ultimately if you're sp…

A good writer has the responsibility of choosing the correct word. That's what makes them good. I apologize if my use of some words offended you. My reasoning is that words that trigger specific memories and experiences in a person are more hurtful. The world is not a perfect place but it is constantly changing and evolving. I keep working hard to use words that are not hurtful.

You're going to fucking hate what the English call canola oil.
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