Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco • Hacker News Board

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by Redoubts » Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 2:03 AM UTC

refurb wrote: post #236

joesmo wrote: post #193

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How can you not get one Hispanic juror on your jury in San Francisco? This to me, is mind blowing. I'm not saying the jury was racist necessarily, just ignorant. Some people go against all reason and trust cops despite common sense that says not to. It's hard to fathom, but I think that's where a lot of these problems come from. One minute, you have a senior in high school who bullies, beats up other students, and ca…

Because most people try their best to not serve on a jury? I served on a jury in SF not long ago. ~80% of people called were dismissed due to hardship, which I assume would impact lower income folks more. The remaining ~18% tried their best during questioning to make sure they were kicked off the jury. We ended up with a jury that was mostly professionals or retired folks.

It's truly sad. Last time I sat through voir dire, about 10 people tried to get out of jury duty by claiming they felt the system was too racist for them to give it a fair hearing. Aside from being rather unconvincing, it seems wrong that people who ostensibly care about minorities being railroaded would not want to be on a jury.

But maybe I'm just angry I had to sit through two days of lame excuses.

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by zahmahkibo » Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 4:58 AM UTC

ousta wrote: post #42

foldr wrote: post #29

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Aaron Swartz commits suicide after being prosecuted for a crime that he did commit, and he's a martyr. A working class latino guy in San Francisco gets shot by the police because some white dudes didn't like the look of him, and it's basically his fault. Hacker news values.

yes. he obviously got killed because some white dude didnt like the look of him. the gun he was pointing at the cops is not related to his death.

1. Please prove he pointed a gun at them. 2. People literally called the cops TO his location in the first place because he was sitting on a park bench eating. What is wrong with this picture? 3. He was shot 40 times. What is wrong with this picture? 4. The cop immediately called his union rep before an ambulance. What is wrong with this picture?

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by sulam » Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 6:23 AM UTC

1812Overture wrote: post #299

sulam wrote: post #140

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It's also reassessed if you improve it in any substantial way. My property taxes doubled after a remodel. Some of that was the remodel, but roughly half was due to prices in the neighborhood going up since my wife and I originally bought the house. In my case we can afford these extra taxes, but I can easily imagine that in other circumstances this would be difficult. The alternative is doing work without permits, wh…

You got permits for your remodel? Everyone else I know in California does it on the dl and doesn't tell the city for this reason(and many others).

We built up, no way to avoid it. People get caught in our neighborhood unless they're keeping it way under the radar.

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by 13thLetter » Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 6:28 AM UTC

pm24601 wrote: post #190

tptacek wrote: post #165

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I do not like being manipulated by journalists abusing their positions to push their preferred narrative. Solnit would like us to believe Snow was complicit in Nieto's killing, because it supports her narrative. Surely Solnit was made aware, before this article was published, of critically important details, like Nieto's diagnosed and medicated psychosis (he was off his meds), or his record of having violently confro…

no... Solint is using Snow as a narrative for representing the attitudes the gentrification brought into Alex's neighborhood. The attitudes that lead to Alex's death. SoInit is not presenting all the facts because that is not a journalist's job. She has only a limited amount of space (yes even on the web) to work with. But why are you talking about the messenger rather than the message?

What? Presenting all the facts is exactly a journalist's job. If a journalist is presenting a "narrative" instead of the facts, that journalist needs to quit their job and become a novelist.

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by ousta » Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 10:28 AM UTC

zahmahkibo wrote: post #312

ousta wrote: post #42

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yes. he obviously got killed because some white dude didnt like the look of him. the gun he was pointing at the cops is not related to his death.

1. Please prove he pointed a gun at them. 2. People literally called the cops TO his location in the first place because he was sitting on a park bench eating. What is wrong with this picture? 3. He was shot 40 times. What is wrong with this picture? 4. The cop immediately called his union rep before an ambulance. What is wrong with this picture?

You are right they must be lying, it seems more likely that some random cops heard on radio that a guy was sitting on a bench eating and they just thought "let's go kill some guy eating in a park today".

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by zahmahkibo » Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 1:18 PM UTC

ousta wrote: post #315

zahmahkibo wrote: post #312

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1. Please prove he pointed a gun at them. 2. People literally called the cops TO his location in the first place because he was sitting on a park bench eating. What is wrong with this picture? 3. He was shot 40 times. What is wrong with this picture? 4. The cop immediately called his union rep before an ambulance. What is wrong with this picture?

You are right they must be lying, it seems more likely that some random cops heard on radio that a guy was sitting on a bench eating and they just thought "let's go kill some guy eating in a park today".

LMAO what a fucking strawman. At least try to not be disingenuous from the get go

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by puppetmaster3 » Sat, Mar 26, 2016, 11:42 PM UTC

puppetmaster3 wrote: post #2

Why is gentrification bad?

THANK you for comments, I honestly did not know that someone would be against it.

I assume this is from a left POV, I see it as plus that a local business succeeds, or a new local hosting gets built, at worst more tax revenue = more services. I wonder to self if higher education is also viewed as bad, as it has same effect - higher local prices. So the outcome to anti-gentrification is the abandoned neighborhoods that investors would not want to develop. Not something we can solve, just a warning to business to not grow in the anti-gentrification areas.

Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco

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Post by TheMagicHorsey » Tue, Mar 29, 2016, 4:38 AM UTC

beachstartup wrote: post #51

TheMagicHorsey wrote: post #30

Why would a person ever point a taser with a laser sight at uniformed police in this country? Yes this is a tragedy, but how are police supposed to react to a gun-like object pointed at them, in the heat of the moment? Cops get shot also. They are nervous on the job. As we would be, in their position. Are they supposed to react to a pointed gun with understanding and open arms? I just don't think that's practical.

> Why would a person ever point a taser with a laser sight at uniformed police in this country? this is why police continue getting away with it. there are people out there like TheMagicHorsey who just believe everything they say, no matter how ridiculous or nonsensical. upon hearing something totally and utterly unbelievable, he thinks "this guy was crazy", instead of "the police are lying their asses off to cover t…

You mustn't make too many assumptions about people with no information in their profiles.

But you should read about the witness testimony in this case before you leap to conclusions.

Have you seen my post history? I'm highly skeptical of state actors, including the American police. But in this case, there seems to be several witnesses backing up the police story.