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> (about one per year in a country of 60m) This source shows the lowest number of gun deaths a year from 1996 as 130. Actual murders will be lower than this figure, but do you have a source? http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/192/total_num...
Sorry, that was simply an error. I think I meant to attach that bracket to the number of shootings by police, or possibly of police. http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/htt... p11 puts gun deaths of police officers at <1 per year.
Toddlers Kill More People in the USA (with guns) Than Terrorists Do
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#312Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an outsider, I've always wondered about this: Since a lot of people in America are so much hell bent on keeping a gun for a hypothetical future situation of government turning hostile (completely ignoring the 'real, actual' killings that are happening very frequently because some psycho got access to what they obtained for their own safety) - will all these people be personally willing to take responsibility and g…
Strange line of argument. But I will be okay if such policy is broad based. All good doctors to be responsible for some one in their professional indulged in massive malpractice, all s/w developers be responsible for someone writing virus or other kind of malware and so on.
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#313To play devil's advocate, which gun law would have prevented this person from getting shot by her toddler? As a gun rights advocate, she presumably has been around guns for a long time and should have been well versed in how to handle them safely. I doubt there's any training that could be mandated that would exceed the experience she already had. Short of banning guns entirely, which would require a constitutional a…
Guns are a tool, but a potentially dangerous one. And any statistics I find (one reference for instance: http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.ht...) suggest that the United States' safety record with guns is pretty horrible compared to everyone else (eg compared to other rich countries, we have a higher incidence rate of injuries, deaths, and gun-oriented suicides than any other).
While no amount of legislation is going to prevent complete idiots from being idiots, perhaps properly drawn up safety oriented regulations may help drive home the point to everyone who is not an idiot. Safety regulations seem acceptable in most other places in life, even when there has been some freedom-oriented resistance. (Think of seat belt laws, for instance -- despite the resistance from some, they have ended up being very effective at reducing traffic fatalities and injuries.)
Maybe some gun safety legislation is indeed misguided, but I have to roll my eyes when some gun rights advocates act like something like, say, a safe gun storage law is a Hidden Agenda To Facilitate Governments Disarming the American Public or something. I don't think that's the intention. Safety laws can be good; safety laws can be misguided... but if a safety law is misguided, I want to hear technical reasons why from the firearms crowd, not conspiracy diatribe.
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I believed the negative hype about Trump till I actually listened to what he had to say in context. I don't agree with the guy on a lot, but the emotional reactions instead logical debate really need to stop >Trump phenomenon fueled on xenophobia, racism, and authoritarianism, which is scary for minorities, is an example of a gov that could go crazy. Sentences like this are not arguments they are emotional regurgitat…
> > Trump phenomenon fueled on xenophobia, racism, and authoritarianism, which is scary for minorities, is an example of a gov that could go crazy. > Sentences like this are not arguments they are emotional regurgitations of fear created by endless news cycles of ad hominem attacks and half truths. or maybe they're simple observations of the guy himself talking uninterrupted in his election rallies. i saw some on tv,…
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Let's not forget that the UK also doesn't have brown bears, black bears, mountain lions, wolves, coyotes, and a southern border with a country that routinely has horrific murders involving decapitated bodies. Personally I can understand why SOME Americans feel the need to carry a firearm. It's highly unlikely that you would be harmed by the animals mentioned above or even be affected by the violence in Mexico, but it…
Canada has all those things...
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I am quite pro-gun, and terrorism doesn't even register on the reasons why. I believe the same could be said of most everyone I know in that community. It's not about fear; it's primarily about a worldview that centers on individuality and distrust of government.
I've never understood this argument. The day you pull a gun on "government" is the day you will be killed on the spot, or sentenced to death row, or sent to life in prison with no chance of parole. You will be permanently removed from your comfortable life, and whomever takes that life away from you will face no penalty for doing so. So you own a handgun? The government will have assault rifles. Oh, you own an assaul…
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Indeed. And they also have comparatively high rates of firearms ownership per capita ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_c... ). Hunting and protection from wild animals probably factor in to that.
Hunting yes. Protection from wild animals? Contrary to popular belief, we don't all have polar bears in our yard. We had a coyote on our street last year, but nobody felt threatened enough to pull out a gun.
I didn't mean to suggest that everyone should carry a firearm because of this. I've hiked in areas with brown bears, regularly go into areas with black bear/mountain lion/wolves, and often encounter/hear coyotes at my house. I personally do not feel the need to carry a firearm because of this, but I can understand why others may. It depends upon you tolerance for risk. For some, the small chance of a dangerous encounter justifies their need to carry a firearm. I think it would be disingenuous to suggest that firearms are totally useless for that purpose
The RCMP even have a website about it... http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/wild-sauvage-eng.ht...
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Huh, what's wrong with me then. I absolutely do not need a gun, ever. Nobody needs a gun. If you think you need a gun then you have serious problems. Let's talk about basic human needs. Food, water, Air, and to a lesser extent clothing and shelter. You don't need a gun for any of those things. Sure a gun can help with food, but guess what, you don't even need to eat meat, there are so many other sources of food. So n…
Respectfully, what right do you have to determine my needs? From a more practical perspective, what are you going to do about it? Are you proposing to take arms from the American people by force? How many deaths are acceptable to make that happen? To be clear, I don't mean the above as a threat or anything of the sort. I'm merely pointing out the certain result of a policy of disarmament, and the hypocrisy of using f…
To the extent that libertarians believe that taxes are extracted by force (I usually see this written as "violence") then yes. If each gun carried a tax sufficient to mitigate it's societal cost, and if each cartridge were an order of magnitude more expensive, we would be done with this issue in 100 years.
It will take a long time, but it won't get done if we don't start.
(Preventively - yes, you can 3D print yourself a handgun, and likely blow your hand off, and reload your own bullets. At that point your personal time doing that work is a proxy for the taxes you would have payed.)
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All you'll get out of B is responses about terrorism and it doesn't count.
Right, because if some crazy asshole shoots people randomly it's a mass shooting but if he happens to be muslim it's terrorism. Sorry, keep forgetting about that memo.
That it's possible for a determined group to acquire guns and attack people is one thing. It being possible for a single mentally unstable person to do so is quite another.
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France has 31.2 guns for 100 inhabitants. Also Switzerland's gun control laws are probably more extreme than that of France.
France may have more guns per inhabitants but it's mostly hunting rifles/sports gun. Swiss gun laws are definitely not as strict as France's. Look it up.