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Chart Shows Who Marries CEOs, Doctors, Chefs and Janitors

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How is this sexist? He's just expressing his preferences (which BTW seem pretty universal - who would want to be in a relationship with someone who's unhealthy and has no time?!).

It's sexist to say the ideal wife can be defined by their physical fitness and free time. That is pretty much the definition of objectification.

Sort of. What if a woman said that her ideal husband would be a handsome man who wasnt a workaholic? I agree with you, but im just pointing out how, deep inside, everyone objectifies to some extent.

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Female Models, Demonstrators, and Product Promoters partner with: Truck Drivers Miscellaneous Managers Retail SupervisorsLaborersRetail, SalespersonsIndustrial, and Refractory Machinery Mechanics

Yeah, the model-truck driver connection is a real head-scratcher. It doesn't seem like they would often be in the same social circles.

Self-identification as "model" quite likely includes any number of people who are registered with some agency but effectively unemployed.

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Looks like there's a correlation with long hours and isolated work environments away from other peer groups. Doctors for instance are well known for pairing up during the residency grind since it dramatically drops their interactions with anyone outside of their residency program and also occurs during their late 20's. A perfect storm.

>Looks like there's a correlation with long hours and isolated work environments away from other peer groups. Doctors are prestige seekers who see marrying a software programmer as a step down.

I'm an Engineer working in finance and a couple of my medical doctor friends refer to me as the 'inteligent' in the group.

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I have a better explanation. She was talking about the kinds of stuff she was into, and didn't sense that you were into the same things. Then when you said you did do stuff like that, she was interested because you had more in common. She didn't have an ego, you did. If you didn't, you guys could have talked all about the particulars of the stories she was telling, interspersing with similar tales from your adventure…

>> I have a better explanation. She was talking about the kinds of stuff she was into, and didn't sense that you were into the same things. Then when you said you did do stuff like that, she was interested because you had more in common. Or...she could be a normal person and try to understand what I've been doing my whole life until now, just like I was listening to her about her own stories. Because in normal world,…

> she could be a normal person and try to understand what I've been doing my whole life until now

A date is not a normal situation. Just like job interviews, there are all kinds of objectives people can have that influence their behavior that don't really involve you that you're not going to know about going in.

She may have been on a bunch of dates with guys where there were these long, boring discussions on stuff that the guy found interesting but she didn't. That happens a lot from what I've been told. So she forms a strategy for making her dates better.

> I was listening to her about her own stories.

You weren't just listening, you were listening and forming judgments. You need to be aware that these judgments you are forming aren't necessarily correct and that you should allow her to correct them before you let them take control of your date.

You need to participate in the telling of the stories, not just sit there like a cold fish.

> If I say I only want a programmer woman (since I'm a programmer), but who is even better than me.

I would say you're being needlessly and destructively dismissive of potential mates. You don't pick the woman you want, you pick among the women you have available to you.

If you really want a programmer, then you should be taking positive steps to meet more of them. Same with any of these criteria. If that's really what you want, yet you're limiting yourself to just what comes along, than your desires are just wishful thinking. It's like marketing, you need to have a way to target your audience.

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I've lived with two medical doctors, both of whom referred to me, with a doctorate in particle physics but now a software engineer, as the 'real doctor'.

Which for me really highlights the point that, despite using the same title, the word doctor implies two completely different but equally important types of experience.

In Chinese, the common words for medical doctor (大夫 and 医生) are totally different from the other type (博士).

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you are not a doctor, are you?

Not a doctor, just frustrated: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11085519

just an opinion based on personal experience. Have many family/friends who are doctors.

many fish in the sea, no reason to be frustrated.

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It'll really suck for them when we have driverless trucks.

It won't. They'll simply shift to another job. It's not like they're absolute idiots, they can learn a new trade.

Like what? Driving a taxi/Uber? No, that'll be automated too. Working at McDonald's? No, that'll be automated too. Becoming a software engineer? If they were any good at that, they would have done it already.

The fact is, all these low-education jobs are going away in the near future, to be replaced by robots and automation. We're not going to need hordes of poorly-educated people to work any more.

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I can't speak for him but I'm a bit over 40 and single again, and looking. What I'm seeing in the DC metro area is a ton of single women in my age range who are single and never married, and all of a sudden now they want to get married and have kids. (Some of them want kids, some don't.) So not "pushing 30", but "pushing 40". Other data I've seen shows that there's a big surplus of single women in both the NYC and DC…

Ha, same area here, but exploring the pushing 35 range. From what I've seen, I don't think they actually expect to meet George Clooney. After living with their independence and high paying job, 100% of which they can spend on them-self, usually enabling tons of international travel. They don't actually want to settle down and put work into a relationship, but their friends and family constantly pester them to do so.…

In addition to my last comment regarding these ~40yo women now wanting to have kids, what's even worse is that it seems a ton of them are getting themselves inseminated (artificially or otherwise, probably artificially for these high-income women so they can screen the genetics of the donor more accurately) and deciding to become single moms.

As someone who was raised by a single mom, it's a horrible experience, and prepares you for a life of never being able to be successful in an adult relationship, because you've never seen such a relationship except maybe on TV (which we all know is not reflective of reality at all).

I do not see a good future here for our society. I'm not a social conservative in most ways (I'm a big believer in poly relationships for instance), but what I'm seeing with the 30-45 women makes me very worried for the future of our society. Maybe the Millenials and Gen-Zers will do a better job than us stupid Gen-Xers; they seem to be much more open-minded and willing to try out different relationship styles, rather than not having relationships at all.

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I am a woman. I married "down". I also married a man shorter than me, something I don't advertise much because men who are shorter than average tend to have enormous amounts of baggage and I don't want every short man on the planet thinking I am the solution to their problem. In many cases, I do not want to get involved with them because they are assholes, not because of their height. As a woman who defies two really…

> I will suggest that most women are as bad about wanting men who are tall and moneyed as men are typically bad about wanting someone younger and hot looking Agreed, although there seems to be a big difference in the social acceptability of admitting it. Women will quite openly say they want a tall man, without being criticised. Whereas a man who says "I won't date anyone who weighs more than xxx lbs" or "I'll only d…

I agree with you and that is why I am commenting on it: Because "men are assholes" if they comment on it.

I think the reason for that is because men have so much more economic and political power than women and there is a lot of expectation that heterosexual women will get financial support for their male lover. So a woman who is not "picky" is "a whore, just selling it" and a man who is too picky about things like looks is "just treating women like sex objects." The sex for money deal is only socially acceptable when they love each other and marry for love and then the defacto situation that he probably brings more money to the table is somehow OK.

I think there are legitimate concerns there, but I don't agree with the way we resolve those issues. I do what little I can to try to change the conversation about such things.

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> So what if she was? It means that for a man who wants "practical, non-judgemental girls," the decision to call it quits is much easier in regards to a girl possessing an ego that is stereotypically judgemental of his identity in such a demonstrable fashion of her "trying to figure out how she was better than [him]....IN EVERY FACET OF LIFE".

And you know all this... from 15 minutes of chatting? You've never been a little nervous or said something stupid during a first date?

As none of what NTDF9 wrote of his experience (and nowhere did he write that it was "15 minutes of chatting") even remotely indicates her being "a little nervous" or her having said "something stupid", your two loaded questions cannot be answered in their present form.
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