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Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by Crito »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #276
largote wrote: post #195

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Clicking on an address defaults to fucking Apple Maps... Let me say that again: Apple Maps ...

Apple Maps' reputation is much worse than it deserves. These days it is better than Google Maps, in my opinion: Better map pins, better graphical performance, better rendering style, better search.

I agree that Apple Maps is currently better, but I attribute that mostly to the quality of Google Maps severely degrading in recent years.

It has gotten so bad, that I've dusted off my old stand-alone GPS and keep it in my car's center console. Google Maps no longer has reliability that I can count on for a road trip.

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Post by bandushrew »

roymurdock wrote: post #228
nostrademons wrote: post #159

It's kinda weird to read commentators talking as if this was the end of a golden age of Apple. From my perspective, their application software has always sucked. It was there because you need apps to bootstrap a platform and attract enough users to attract developers. But you can't really expect a consumer electronics company to have the best application for a given niche once the niche has been identified and attrac…

> From my perspective, their application software has always sucked. I think the main problem is not the application software (aside from iTunes and Apple Maps) - the main problem is the OS level software. During the "golden age" of apple, apps would just work. Didn't matter if it you were using Apple-provided software or "better" 3rd party stuff - crashing, lagging, stuttering was minimal. Now, many users are seeing…

"During the "golden age" of apple, apps would just work."

nope. Ive been using apple software for 20 years.

apple software has ALWAYS been crap. its just also been less crap than the opposition.

hell, before OS X, a crashed app would force you to restart the entire computer....

I still remember long afternoons debugging a CodeWarrior application, and having to restart after every successful replication of the problem...

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Post by sirkneeland »

nostrademons wrote: post #248
stephengillie wrote: post #239

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Were this Windows, there would be a 3rd party app...err application... that would let you change the default launch app. Why not on OSX?

Android lets you do that as well. There are loads of third-party launchers for Android; one of my former coworkers made several million selling one of them to Yahoo.

Aviate was brilliant.

Until Yahoo turned it into a less intelligent Google Now wannabe anyway. Sigh...

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Post by tracker1 »

rayiner wrote: post #100
mmastrac wrote: post #3

It's not just software. While I'm still a fan of Macbooks, I'm getting close to abandoning ship thanks to the increasingly un-repairability of these things. I have a Macbook from ~2008 that's still functional as a media PC thanks to memory/SSD upgrades and battery replacements over the years. My current Macbook Pro has memory soldered on to the motherboard and a battery glued to the case. The SSD is technically repla…

Comparable laptops aren't really any better. The rMBP is a lot more repairable than say the Surface Book (which won't let you even open the case without possibly cracking the display). At least Apple has a battery replacement service at an advertised price--what'll Dell charge you to replace the non-servicable battery in the XPS13 or XPS15? And no other PC laptop hits that right sweet spot of power/battery/display qu…

The big difference being a lot of the competition's options are at a 30-50% lower price.

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Post by unfamiliar »

jmspring wrote: post #196
midnitewarrior wrote: post #96

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If Steve were alive, people would be getting fired after comments from Walt such as these.

iTunes started getting shittier and shittier even when Jobs was alive. I doubt people would get fired.

I think his solution to that problem was to move away from iTunes as the central hub towards iCloud as the central hub. That vision has mostly been achieved, at least from my perspective. I only use iTunes on OS X to listen to music or podcasts, very rarely for any syncing or direct interaction with my phone.

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Post by r00fus »

Cartwright2 wrote: post #130

I dread helping anyone with iTunes related issues. The syncing process is dangerous, it's far too easy to wipe someone's collection of music / family photos / pictures. I'm not sure if this is an isolated issue but I start sweating bullets as soon as I have to connect an iDevice to iTunes. What really shocks me is that instead of showing a big red warning message before a destructive sync, it silently goes ahead and…

Are you serious? Unless you're sharing different users' music across computers (which Apple has made difficult/unfeasible since day 1).

Sync is one-way - what could you lose?

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Post by marincounty »

samastur wrote: post #253
roymurdock wrote: post #228

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> From my perspective, their application software has always sucked. I think the main problem is not the application software (aside from iTunes and Apple Maps) - the main problem is the OS level software. During the "golden age" of apple, apps would just work. Didn't matter if it you were using Apple-provided software or "better" 3rd party stuff - crashing, lagging, stuttering was minimal. Now, many users are seeing…

When was this golden age? I've been a Mac user for about 10 years and it was never better than now, probably the opposite. Every edition had bunch of bugs I hated. Before then I regularly tested Mac for local computer magazine and it didn't look better either. I even managed to freeze Mac OSX 10.1 with first mouse click when it arrived in our lab. Before then we had lots of fun looking at ways you could hang by that…

I have a feeling you have new Apple products.

I have a three year old MacBook, and I believe, a four year old Ipad2. I want to believe it was just the iPad and too much JavaScript, but my laptop is not what I expect from a three year laptop. That wheel is spinning way too much. Chrome brings it to unusuable, but figured it was my fault. I only have 4 gigs. Actually, I though 4 gigs would be enough?

I do not believe in buying a new computer every two years.

I always though if an evil dictator ran Apple, they could force us to by new product, but they would have to do it sly. Just enough wheel spinning, to make us buy. If Apple does that; I'm gone forever.

Actually, I've been done with new Apple products for awhile. I will just repair my older products. I still believe in the company though. I hope they don't get cute?

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Post by jeena »

nostrademons wrote: post #159

It's kinda weird to read commentators talking as if this was the end of a golden age of Apple. From my perspective, their application software has always sucked. It was there because you need apps to bootstrap a platform and attract enough users to attract developers. But you can't really expect a consumer electronics company to have the best application for a given niche once the niche has been identified and attrac…

> Chrome, Google Photos, Hangouts, Google Calendar, Google Docs, Google Maps

> Perhaps I was just less brainwashed than most Apple fans

I'm not quite sure who of you is the brainwashed one ... ;)

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Post by tracker1 »

pyre wrote: post #241
threeseed wrote: post #122

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That's great if you're a Windows developer. If you aren't then congratulations your performance is cripped as you have to run everything inside a Linux VM. There are just too many open source projects that stupidly hard core path seperators or rely on UNIX binaries. Microsoft would really do well supporting a truly great UNIX layer.

> projects that stupidly hard core path seperators It's also stupid to assume that your application will work seamlessly between Windows and Unix-like systems just by making sure that the path separators are OS-agnostic.

Most of the windows APIs support unix-style path separators, I actually get annoyed when I see separator injection needlessly... the bigger differences are default system paths and environment variables as such. (Also, windows-style "drive" letters" of course).
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