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Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Well I'm not an expert but it seems to me that in France we expect minorities to leave a good part of their culture and become "real french", eat cheese, wear beret and never walk without a baguette under their arms, whereas in the US I was under the impression that there's a lot more effort from minorities to differentiate themselves. I don't think we can really talk of a "black culture" in France (at least not in t…

America is undisputedly the best country at assimililating immigrants. It comes from doing it for centuries. We are one of the only countries with complete mixed ethnicities and a strong nationality. But that doesn't really work for blacks because they aren't a different culture, they are a subculture. Their culture has been a part of American culture from the beginning. For almost all of American history they were e…

So, your claim to being undisputedly the best is just wrong.

The United States has immensely hateful, mainstream discourse about immigrants. Case in point : Donald Trump. That's one big strike against success claims.

Furthermore, it's not just African-Americans who are other-ised into a distinct grouping. Hispanic immigrants are, to some extent, other-ised into their own cultural subset.

I was shocked when I started going to college in the states, because you can even feel the racial divide in how people eat. There literally are black tables and hispanic tables and jewish tables and white tables.

If you're in the `desired' immigrant groups in the states, for example you are European or East Asian, you won't have much trouble integrating, and nor will you face much prejudice. But if you're not in those `desired' groups, you will not.

Canada, where I'm from, doesn't really have these problems to the same extent at all. We have our own; for instance, we other-ise First Nations groups. But that's pretty much all we other-ise.

Certainly the United States does a pretty good job. Hong Kong, for instance, is horribly behind the USA despite itself doing a decent job. But good != "undisputedly the best".

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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"as the only African American on her team, she didn’t feel she had much in common with her colleagues. “When I went out to lunch or something with my team, it was sort of like, ‘Soooo, what are you guys talking about?’ ” she says" I find this sentence really shocking, perhaps because I'm french and in France we try to assimilate people more (I don't really know), but I would definitely think that as a white software…

As a black software developer I had a much easier time getting along with the white French developer culturewise.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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What the hell is this fucking article even talking about? Silicon valley hires THOUSANDS OF BLACK CODERS from India every year. Some anthropology: The modern day Dravidians are descendants of the Harappan civilisation. WHOSE SETTLERS CAME FROM AFRICA DURING THE BRONZE AGE AROUND 3000 BC. Another fucking shill article by H1B lobbyists to try to lower wages to middle class americans. Class war at its best.

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Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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As a human that people in America would call black/African-American I really dislike articles like this. I understand that some black people feel like they cant relate to others, but I find the entire premise of such arguments about homogeneous workplaces and cultures completely ridiculous. The culture of 'black' people in Alabama will be very different from Howard or Washington DC, does that mean Alabama is unwelcom…

> I've never been openly been discriminated against Yes, I always walk around with my head in the sand too.

I do not have my head in the sand. I'm saying I don't remember ever being openly discriminated against. Are you saying it's impossible for a black person to live there life without being openly discriminated against in the U.S. ? Obviously we aren't in some post-racial utopia, but I'm saying I have never experienced racism to my face.

I find it funny that someone would think I would have to have experienced it

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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I would say some of the students in the article probably aren't SV material - "They’d begun studying computer science in college"? So you've been involved with computers for 4 whole years and you think you're qualified for a top tier job? I'm sure not all of the students only started in college - I'm also not naive enough to think there isn't prejudice in SV, but didn't start until college...

I'm amazed at the replies that think if you didn't start programming since you were young, then you are seen as worthless. Majority of my fellow CS grads didn't write their first line of code until college and after a few semesters, most of them caught up with or surpassed the ones who learned programming since they were young. Almost all of us now work in great companies and some went on to do PhD's. I honestly hope…

I'm a senior in CS at the moment; I declared somewhat late, and I never did any programming until my sophomore year. Before I got into in CS, I was worried that classes would assume outside knowledge (beyond prerequisite classes), and that my classmates that had programmed in high school or earlier would be way ahead in terms of ability.

In my experience (and this is at a "top" school/program), this has not been the case at all. In fact, a lot of the types that already had prior experience seemed to struggle when it came to more difficult or theoretical/mathematically rigorous classes (e.g. Algorithms & data structures etc.). I suspect that a lot of those who had already programmed did a lot of little personal projects or hacks. Maybe they learned some different languages, played around on the command line, generally dabbled in different areas of CS and software, etc. But I think the kind of skills gained from doing these sorts of things are mostly trivial. The types of problems solved in most typical apps and websites are not that difficult technically. You learn about a lot of the difficult problems in software and computability through CS material. And the other difficult problems are engineering ones - things like necessarily complex systems with lots dependencies, large-scale or scalable systems, software with high technical demands, comprehensive testing etc. etc. But that kind of thing is learned on the job, or at least in some kind of capable team working on an important project. Not by writing little scripts or apps on your own. Learning how to write readable, modularized code can be naturally (and fairly quickly) learned in intro classes if you are mindful and dedicated to improving.

However, this is just my own experience and observations. And there is no doubt that there are plenty of people out there who started at a young age, and are also superb at computer science and/or are fantastic engineers. But I don't think that in itself is a great predictor of someone's capability.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Isn't it interesting how "people of color" is a common self-designation for (most frequently) black people, whereas "colored people", literally synonymous, is considered offensive? Of course there are valid historical reasons for it, but many people (probably including GP) don't know about them. The euphemism treadmill can get quite exhausting.

"People of color" generally means black people, dark-skinned Latinos, and Native Americans. "Colored people" is not used because that was what was used by segregationist whites during Jim Crow (e.g. water fountains labeled "colored").

"People of Color" means "non-whites", so includes pretty much everyone but Europeans. It's used instead of "non-whites" to describe a demographic by an attribute they have, instead of an attribute a different group has.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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What the hell is this fucking article even talking about? Silicon valley hires THOUSANDS OF BLACK CODERS from India every year. Some anthropology: The modern day Dravidians are descendants of the Harappan civilisation. WHOSE SETTLERS CAME FROM AFRICA DURING THE BRONZE AGE AROUND 3000 BC. Another fucking shill article by H1B lobbyists to try to lower wages to middle class americans. Class war at its best.

We've banned this account. When a new account shows up and breaks the HN guidelines this badly, we ban it.

Yay!

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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The clickbait article headline is "Why Doesn’t Silicon Valley Hire Black Coders?" The answer is buried three quarters of the way into the article: > When they started interviewing seniors, companies found — as Pratt did at Howard — that many were underprepared. They hadn’t been exposed to programming before college and had gaps in their college classes. So why isn't the article titled, "Why Aren't Enough Black Coders…

Based on my experience interviewing a handful of developer candidates graduating from Howard, not being prepared is the best way I can describe the impression they left.

It felt like they only had a smattering of CS courses, none of which pushed them very hard.

In other words, they should fix their curriculum.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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The imgur photo came from the Bell Curve by Charles Murray. There was some controversy about parts of the book, but the fact that blacks score one standard deviation lower on IQ tests was never disputed. You can also find this by just googling "race and SAT scores" "race and LSAT scores". Look at the official results put out by those organizations, and you will find that on every single test the average black score i…

The article you linked to failed to factor in stereotype threat, which suggests the authors have no idea how accurate the IQ test really is. Just because you're not asking questions like "Does the salad fork go on the outside or the inside?" doesn't mean the test is bias-free.

The book this "evidence" comes from is the much derided "Bell Curve." The poster is a HN racist troll. I checked his comment history and he pretty much only posts stuff similar to this.
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