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Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Summary: maybe they should try not being poor. If I am to take this to its logical conclusion, I guess there are entire nations, indeed probably most of the human population, who you think should just not reproduce.

If by "summary" you mean "lie about what I said", maybe. "If I am to take this to its logical conclusion, I guess there are entire nations, indeed probably most of the human population, who you think should just not reproduce." Yeah, pretty much. Why are you advocating that children be born into a life of misery?

I think the more pressing question is why are you advocating that humanity destroy itself?

ps: I don't believe that all lower income people and their children live in misery. Seems like you would rather they just not live?

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I'm not "moralizing" about anything. Effective birth control is readily available. I have no interest whatsoever in policing other people's sex lives. I'm just saying that if you work at McDonald's, you probably can't afford to have a child. Yes, there will be accidents, people who fall on hard times, etc., and I actually have no problem with social programs aimed at helping those people out. But that's not what the…

Birth control is far from perfect. Also, people lie. Things happen. Children should suffer as little as possible for their parents' mistakes.

> Children should suffer as little as possible for their parents' mistakes.

I don't always see such intelligence and compassion on HN. Thanks for your comment.

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It's advice that I acted upon in 2014, when I realized,as we were about to try for pregnancy #1, that my then-employer was untenable. No promotion potential, mandatory 20+ hours a week of unpaid overtime, lots of deployments (up to 6 months a year away from home), no commonality with engineering done anywhere else...I moved and got the job I have now with hyphenated-corporation. It's big and evil, sure, but my immedi…

Mistake #2 is being loyal. That's a surefire way to never get anywhere. For me it's a learned skill to be sure. I learned it when I saw that people whom management is afraid to lose are promoted ahead of everybody else. So I make sure my managers know that I re-evaluate my options about once a year. I'm also "well respected" and paid very well, but unless things are going spectacularly well for me, no one is under an…

I think I know my situation better than you do.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Mistake #2 is being loyal. That's a surefire way to never get anywhere. For me it's a learned skill to be sure. I learned it when I saw that people whom management is afraid to lose are promoted ahead of everybody else. So I make sure my managers know that I re-evaluate my options about once a year. I'm also "well respected" and paid very well, but unless things are going spectacularly well for me, no one is under an…

I think I know my situation better than you do.

You'll learn in time. :-)

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I think I know my situation better than you do.

You'll learn in time. :-)

In general I agree with you. Your overall logic is another factor in why I left my last job. But again, you don't know me, or my boss, so you are being rather presumptuous and I don't appreciate it.

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Why don't you enlighten us with a rebuttal, then?

If we're looking to figure out who should and should not be allowed to reproduce, I would start with the people who actually believe they're superior, and should be privileged by law in some way, just because they might have more money in their bank account. Those are the kinds of traits (whether genetic or not) that we should be trying to expunge from the population.

That's not a rebuttal, it's a strawman combined with a personal attack.

I said nothing about disallowing anyone to reproduce. I just said if only rich people reproduced we could eliminate most human suffering. Learn to read.

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I have to use MS or Apple OSs to work from home.

That's between you and your employer.

Give me a break. It's an honest answer to the question.

And it's not just between me and my employer. It's an industry-wide problem, albeit not the biggest problem out there.

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If we're looking to figure out who should and should not be allowed to reproduce, I would start with the people who actually believe they're superior, and should be privileged by law in some way, just because they might have more money in their bank account. Those are the kinds of traits (whether genetic or not) that we should be trying to expunge from the population.

That's not a rebuttal, it's a strawman combined with a personal attack. I said nothing about disallowing anyone to reproduce. I just said if only rich people reproduced we could eliminate most human suffering. Learn to read.

Let's try this another way. Even though we apparently are on completely opposite sides of the spectrum here I'm going to go into this with an open mind and assume at the end of this short conversation I'm going to come out the other end learning something new. I'll lay out what I'm thinking here, and please explain to me where I've misunderstood and please clarify so we can get to the root of what you're talking about.

First, I can't see how this is a strawman. Logically, in academia, perhaps you could argue this is a strawman because you technically didn't say the word "prevent", but in the "real world" I can't see how 50% of the entire world's population (or whatever percentage we're talking about here) would just agree with your hypothesis and say: "You know what, he's probably right. We, the poor people of the world are a burden on society and shouldn't be having children of our own. From this day forward we vow not to have children because we think this guy may be right, that it would truly end human suffering when it's all said and done". No. The only way this experiment would proceed is through a large-scale state-sponsored effort to prevent poor people from having children. Against their will. And not only this, but I'm almost positive that if this large-scale effort proceeded it would more than likely erupt into a civil (world?) war. Far from the original goal to "eliminate human suffering".

Second, I can't see how this is a personal attack. That is unless you do believe a person's self worth is measured by the size of their bank account. And if you do believe a person's self-worth is measured by the size of their bank account, it's no more a personal attack than the attack you've made on poor people by insinuating that they are the root cause of human suffering on this planet, simply because they have the audacity to have children of their own.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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That's not a rebuttal, it's a strawman combined with a personal attack. I said nothing about disallowing anyone to reproduce. I just said if only rich people reproduced we could eliminate most human suffering. Learn to read.

Let's try this another way. Even though we apparently are on completely opposite sides of the spectrum here I'm going to go into this with an open mind and assume at the end of this short conversation I'm going to come out the other end learning something new. I'll lay out what I'm thinking here, and please explain to me where I've misunderstood and please clarify so we can get to the root of what you're talking abou…

EDIT: s/self[ -]worth/self-worth and intrinsic worth/

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook for Paternity Leave

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Jobs's birth parents were 23-year-old grad students at the University of Wisconsin, not a population known for being rolling in dough. They decided they were too young to marry and have kids. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Parents

From the page you just linked, Jobs's birth father was "the son of a self-made millionaire".

Who nonetheless didn't feel like his life was secure enough to marry and raise a family right then.
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