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Who's doing this to my internet?

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Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

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Post by RUG3Y »

logicfiction wrote: post #257
RUG3Y wrote: post #203

I think the reality is that content is just not worth anything anymore. There is SO MUCH content out there. The internet has democratized content creation. Now that anyone can publish content, record an album, what have you, the value of content has dropped to nearly nothing. I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing. I'm a musician and artist myself, and I think that many artists and musicians feel entitled to s…

I'm also a passionate hobbyist when it comes to music, but I can't disagree more. Worth is not solely measure in terms of material gains like food and bridges. Art and music have massive amounts of cultural and entertainment worth. Sure one probably requires their basic needs to be met along Maslow's hierarchy to have their life enriched by art. But I believe it's well established the impact and relevance art has. Th…

I hear what you're saying. By worth, I didn't mean value - but I wasn't clear. I think art has much value, but as a commodity in the marketplace, holds very little worth. I agree that making quality art in one's spare time is challenging. I think this guarantees that the work being completed is a labor of love that the artist truly cares about. In an ideal world, the best work would receive the greatest reward. Unfortunately, much of the best and most creative works are already coming from outside of the music industry. Before gaining recognition, these artists are essentially passionate hobbyists.

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Post by hammock »

madaxe_again wrote: post #143
binxbolling wrote: post #33

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You're right, author has rose-colored glasses. I almost thought it was a joke at first—2012 as the good ol' days? The internet ruined in the last three years? Come on.

"Septembering" should be the term for this phenomenon.

Why?

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

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Post by JupiterMoon »

acoard wrote: post #224
JupiterMoon wrote: post #192

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I would have thought that that would be over by now. Surely all of America is online by now already?

Eternal September doesn't have to do with new users to the internet, but new participants within a community. It's essentially the problem of digital immigration (which is much easier to do than physical immigration).

I would argue that new users on a forum that have already used other forums will be easier to integrate than those who have never been online before. And those that have used multiple forums will be easier still as they will be used to the idea that different communities have different rules.

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Post by josh2600 »

eevilspock wrote: post #300
josh2600 wrote: post #273

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Advertising is the worst model, except for all the rest of them. Charging for things, in and of itself, is hard and, on some level, facetious. If all knowledge were known, why would you pay anyone to do anything? It's not clear to me why anyone pays anyone except in the case of information arbitrage. Advertising is a form of explicit information arbitrage, where we convert dollars into attention. Other information ar…

Dude, you don't really make much sense with all that reductionist gobbledygook. You're quite hung up on the concept of "information arbitrage" in your numerous replies on this thread. You almost come off as a troll but I can see you're serious. There is more to life than "information arbitrage". You cannot reduce people and society to transactions. Get out of your green-ivory tower. Arbitrage the asymmetry between yo…

1) Telling me to get laid has no place on this forum or in polite society. I have lived plenty. This is relevant: http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

2) Relationships between people are also a study in information arbitrage as the power dynamics between two individuals are never equal unless both parties have intentionally decided to make them equal.

3) If you think the world of business is governed by some other form of arbitrage, please put your theory forward. If you think the world is not governed by arbitrage, please tell me what governs the world.

It is not reductionist, it is an attempt at distillation. Reductionist would be to ignore the pertinent facts of the discussion.

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Post by chaqke »

canadaduane wrote: post #280
jolan wrote: post #229

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Just reeks of being a whiny niche webfotainment consumer. > I've really loved listening to SoundCloud over the past couple years since mainstream radio sucks, for the same reasons that mainstream TV used to (needing to target the lowest common denominator so as to not upset advertisers.) Boohoo, now my favorite sites are going mainstream since I spend hours on their sites/consuming their bandwidth and they need to co…

I know you're trying to be helpful by pointing out what's wrong with the author's perspective, but I think you're missing the main point--that there is no business model today that aligns well the needs and "digital rights" of the individual. Eventually, all of the good intentions of internet startups are subsumed by their business models (usually an advertising model), which only incidentally aligns with some of the…

This is definitely a valid problem for anything strongly driven by a network effect. If you buy your widget and pay for it, it's not a problem, but if the product is only cool when many people produce content on it, then it get many people by being free-at-first.
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