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Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by karpodiem »

notsony wrote: post #290
ryanmarsh wrote: post #285

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Some HN'ers may not recall Microsoft's "sleeping giant awakes" moment with the Internet in the 90's. Speaking of tidal waves, hang on to your surfboards, it's going to be big and fast. http://www.lettersofnote.com/2011/07/internet-tidal-wave.htm...

Tim Cook's too busy with Jonathan Ive and Angela Ahrendts, turning Apple into a luxury goods company, to even know what just hit him. Slowly but surely the best developers are going to leave the Mac platform leaving only consulting body-shops and corporates on iOS. Developing for the Mac and iOS is miserable. It wasn't always that way, but it is now. Developers* are sick of proprietary stacks, from the language (Swif…

thank you for pointing out the money part, I share the same sentiment as you do on this.

I've been itching for someone to stick it to Apple since they're really being tight with money in some places (annual developer fee as you mentioned), and wasting it on share repurchases.

It's time for someone to really compress Apple's margins.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by kaolinite »

notsony wrote: post #290
ryanmarsh wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some HN'ers may not recall Microsoft's "sleeping giant awakes" moment with the Internet in the 90's. Speaking of tidal waves, hang on to your surfboards, it's going to be big and fast. http://www.lettersofnote.com/2011/07/internet-tidal-wave.htm...

Tim Cook's too busy with Jonathan Ive and Angela Ahrendts, turning Apple into a luxury goods company, to even know what just hit him. Slowly but surely the best developers are going to leave the Mac platform leaving only consulting body-shops and corporates on iOS. Developing for the Mac and iOS is miserable. It wasn't always that way, but it is now. Developers* are sick of proprietary stacks, from the language (Swif…

Do you have anything to back that up? Personally, I feel developing for Apple platforms has never been better. Companies are still, for the most part, launching on iOS first and I don't know who the developers you're talking about are, but there are a hell of a lot of great developers still in the platform: Panic, OmniGroup, etc.

As for your comment on the 30% fee, that's industry standard and few serious developers complain. The $99 fee is nothing compared to the amount of time it takes to build and design a quality app.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by dvirsky »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #285
krylon wrote: post #92

Ever since Nadella took over at Microsoft, such news items are becoming more and more frequent. Ten years ago, my first reaction at such a headline would have been to check my calendar if it's April 1st. Microsoft has come a long way from the company that everybody loved to hate. IMHO, they still have a long way ahead of them, but it's nice to see they seem to be serious about it. With Ballmer at the helm, I had the…

Some HN'ers may not recall Microsoft's "sleeping giant awakes" moment with the Internet in the 90's. Speaking of tidal waves, hang on to your surfboards, it's going to be big and fast. http://www.lettersofnote.com/2011/07/internet-tidal-wave.htm...

There wasn't a Google then and Apple was much weaker. But I'll hang on to my surfboard nevertheless.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by yellowapple »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #126
pyre wrote: post #116

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Even when Microsoft 'Embraced and Extended' Java, it was only on the Windows platform. It was not cross -platform. The whole point of that methodology wasn't to make sure that everyone was using Microsoft-flavoured Java, but to make sure that everyone was using Microsoft-flavoured Java on the Microsoft Windows platform.

It was not cross-platform Cross-platform didn't mean much in 1995. Which other platform was there at the time? Apple was dead in the water. Red Hat had just come into existence. Netscape Navigator 1.0 had just shipped in December 1994.

> Apple was dead in the water.

That's very much debatable. As a particular counterpoint, Apple hardware had a pretty significant market share among educational deployments. There were quite a few schools that were Mac-only even as late as the early/mid 2000s, let alone in the 90's.

Now granted, a big reason why that changed was because all the homes and businesses used Windows (or some specialized Unix like Solaris or IRIX), so the education market eventually shifted to the Windows world, but that happened quite a bit after the 90's.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by icey »

tracker1 wrote: post #192
icey wrote: post #44

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I don't think it would be shocking to see it open sourced. Microsoft has been making a lot of changes on this front: http://microsoft.github.io/ .

Yeah, and while I appreciate their efforts... I find their documentation on their Azure clients for node.js too sparse and inconsistent. It can definitely be better, at least now I can look through their codebase to get what I need.

The good news is they seem to be accepting Pull Requests for updates to their documentation (along with everything else): https://github.com/Azure/azure-storage-node/pulls?q=is%3Apr+...

I know that doesn't help you when you need to consume the docs, but at the very least they're allowing the community to help out (finally).

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by rbanffy »

notsony wrote: post #290
ryanmarsh wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some HN'ers may not recall Microsoft's "sleeping giant awakes" moment with the Internet in the 90's. Speaking of tidal waves, hang on to your surfboards, it's going to be big and fast. http://www.lettersofnote.com/2011/07/internet-tidal-wave.htm...

Tim Cook's too busy with Jonathan Ive and Angela Ahrendts, turning Apple into a luxury goods company, to even know what just hit him. Slowly but surely the best developers are going to leave the Mac platform leaving only consulting body-shops and corporates on iOS. Developing for the Mac and iOS is miserable. It wasn't always that way, but it is now. Developers* are sick of proprietary stacks, from the language (Swif…

> Developers* are sick of proprietary stacks

And Microsoft will rescue them... Yeah, right...

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by mwcampbell »

Alphasite_ wrote: post #293
mwcampbell wrote: post #268

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Agreed on the crappiness of the web stack for this application. But WPF isn't necessarily better. Case in point: a Bible study program where one's choice of video card actually mattered, at least in 2009 (see http://community.logos.com/forums/t/6200.aspx ). BTW, I only know about that specific example because my brother is a preacher. I think a better foundation for a cross-platform editor/IDE would be SWT, the Stand…

Or even IntelliJs skin and components for Swing.

Do the IntelliJ skin and components have any advantages over Eclipse's SWT in your opinion? My understanding is that Swing is much heavier. In fact, SWT was originally designed for Java 2 Micro Edition [1].

[1]: http://flylib.com/books/en/2.120.1.42/1/

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