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Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by Chronic31 »

acadien wrote: post #265
sremani wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which way is Linux miles ahead ? This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to understand. What features and functionality of Linux are missing in Windows that sets them miles apart ?

I use linux for research for several reasons. The most important reason is that I own several high performance computing resources that need to run code with as little interference from the OS as possible. Furthermore I need these machines to share a file system and I need to be able to set it up myself with little IT experience. For my purposes Linux is dead simple to use, well documented (most of the time), and doe…

You seem to use Linux for applications. It appears you have nothing to do with research about the Linux source code and design.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

acadien wrote: post #265
sremani wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which way is Linux miles ahead ? This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to understand. What features and functionality of Linux are missing in Windows that sets them miles apart ?

I use linux for research for several reasons. The most important reason is that I own several high performance computing resources that need to run code with as little interference from the OS as possible. Furthermore I need these machines to share a file system and I need to be able to set it up myself with little IT experience. For my purposes Linux is dead simple to use, well documented (most of the time), and doe…

This.

Basically, Windows for scientific software is as bad as Linux was for 3D FPS gaming fifteen years ago. Just ask anyone who has tried compiling anything scientific under Cygwin.

And don't get me started on MS's own compilers. They STILL don't support C99, a sixteen year old standard for one of the most important programming languages!

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by glory_df »

sounds wrote: post #284
ntakasaki wrote: post #251

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>Yesterday I was setting up Crouton on my 11 year old daughter's Chromebook Yet you decided to buy her a Chromebook, which is the most locked down laptop out there with heavy DRM with everything locked to Google's services and only Google code being allowed to run natively. Even Windows is much more open in comparison and doesn't wipe the hard disk when you try to install an alternate OS. Nor do you have to "root" it…

I unfortunately had to downvote your comment because this is not the conversation about DRM, Google Services, etc. I'm as passionate as anyone about fighting the walled gardens out there. But it's not germane to the current thread.

>But it's not germane to the current thread.

In a thread about the value of open platforms, how is questioning the decision to buy a chromebook not useful or relevant?

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

Chronic31 wrote: post #301
acadien wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use linux for research for several reasons. The most important reason is that I own several high performance computing resources that need to run code with as little interference from the OS as possible. Furthermore I need these machines to share a file system and I need to be able to set it up myself with little IT experience. For my purposes Linux is dead simple to use, well documented (most of the time), and doe…

You seem to use Linux for applications. It appears you have nothing to do with research about the Linux source code and design.

So? The Linux ecosystem is the best there is for science. Period. Even OSX lags behind, just look at all the work people put into MacPorts and Homebrew just to get it almost on par with Linux. To this day, none of those systems properly handle the case of multiple packages providing implementations of a library that other packages depend on (e.g. OpenMPI vs. MPICH). Not to talk down on the guys working on that, they are very talented, and the amount of effort they put in is of huge value to the community. (Hello Sean, hello Geoff.)

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by bohol »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #302
acadien wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use linux for research for several reasons. The most important reason is that I own several high performance computing resources that need to run code with as little interference from the OS as possible. Furthermore I need these machines to share a file system and I need to be able to set it up myself with little IT experience. For my purposes Linux is dead simple to use, well documented (most of the time), and doe…

This. Basically, Windows for scientific software is as bad as Linux was for 3D FPS gaming fifteen years ago. Just ask anyone who has tried compiling anything scientific under Cygwin. And don't get me started on MS's own compilers. They STILL don't support C99, a sixteen year old standard for one of the most important programming languages!

What do you mean by scientific? There's a lot of Windows only software for research. Mostly for applied things. But also things like data collection. There's even more if you look at development in things like engineering. Even industrial is surisingly much Windows only.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

bohol wrote: post #305
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Basically, Windows for scientific software is as bad as Linux was for 3D FPS gaming fifteen years ago. Just ask anyone who has tried compiling anything scientific under Cygwin. And don't get me started on MS's own compilers. They STILL don't support C99, a sixteen year old standard for one of the most important programming languages!

What do you mean by scientific? There's a lot of Windows only software for research. Mostly for applied things. But also things like data collection. There's even more if you look at development in things like engineering. Even industrial is surisingly much Windows only.

Well, yes, I'll give you that "scientific software" is indeed too broad. If I restrict it to "software developed by teams of scientists working at universities and research labs" it's better.

And yes, lots of data aquisition stuff is Windows only, particularly the stuff that gets sold along instruments. But then, in that category, the trend seems to be requiring a (preferrably air-gapped) PC running XP. I've even seen stuff running only on Win98 still in use, and I've seen software for rheometers that is STILL distributed on 3.5" floppies. And don't get me started on the "needs-crypto-usb-dongle-to-function" stuff - someone should really tell them that the $300k instrument is a sufficient protection against software piracy.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by jpindar »

bambax wrote: post #56

Apparently "IoT" means "Internet of Things" ("Windows Developer Program for IoT"). Is this a wildly recognized acronym so that it doesn't even need a footnote? (In a Sans Serif font you can't even tell if the first letter is an i or an l; it's really bad).

Yes.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by pjmlp »

acadien wrote: post #273
wfunction wrote: post #260

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GUI "variety" ? Are you joking? The very reason there exists so much "variety" is that they all suck. Windows has one GUI system and it's worked darn well for quite a long time, and will continue to do so. Linux might be able to let you make your windows do somersaults so you can show off to your friends, but it still hasn't been able to get the basics right, like focus-stealing prevention. Windows is miles ahead of…

"miles ahead of Windows for research" For example, only 2 of the currently fastest 500 super computers run Windows and 1 of them is owned by Microsoft. All of the others run Linux or Unix. "Since when are 25-year-old command-line shells research products?" The shell is a researcher's best friend as they have always been (and will be for the foreseeable future) the direct interface between data and the user. I honestl…

REPL are way superior as shown in any Xerox PARC OS.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by pjmlp »

nkuttler wrote: post #53
nmeofthestate wrote: post #38

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"Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves" "Windows is closed as ever" Are these kids hacking on the Linux kernel or something? Of course not. They will be using some app/language running on the OS. They don't need access to the OS source to do that. Seems to me Windows is a perfectly open enough OS to act as a platform for…

> Seems to me Windows is a perfectly open enough OS to act as a platform for tinkering and learning about computers. Maybe, but Linux just seems more convenient. I mean, can you install gcc, golang, nodejs, python, ruby, ghc, lua (...) on windows with a single command? And all the other tools you might want to use, like editors, databases? And you will never know if they want to do kernel-level coding if they don't h…

Try that in Slackware.

Not all distributions have apt-get.

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