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Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by untog »

exo762 wrote: post #230
ubernostrum wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To take some examples: * In some countries it is illegal to opt someone into services they didn't ask for. * In some countries it is illegal to send unsolicited emails about services. * In some countries it is illegal to accept or solicit donations without registering first with tax authorities. * In some countries it is illegal to suggest a financial relationship between yourself and another person/entity when no su…

> In some countries it is illegal to opt someone into services they didn't ask for. Nope. You are not a part of service unless you accept the tip. > In some countries it is illegal to send unsolicited emails about services. True that. This should probably be fixed. > In some countries it is illegal to accept or solicit donations without registering first with tax authorities. Donation does not exist unless you accept…

"you have problem with your gov and your laws, not bitcoin or tip4commit."

"In some countries it is illegal to send unsolicited emails about services."

No, that sounds like a damn sensible law that I do not want to see changed, thanks.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by joshuak »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #274
jnbiche wrote: post #119

These kinds of episodes are making me increasingly depressed. On one hand, I'm incredibly disappointed in the ethics and morality of some of the people who have latched on to Bitcoin. And sadly, I'd have to include tip4commit in that group, particularly since they are "opt-out" and yet have been spamming people after each commit [ubernostrum points out below that they aren't even "opt-out", since they're not honoring…

First, you have to admit that there is a lot more news about Bitcoin scams and theft than news any good that Bitcoin does. Second, Bitcoin has not proven its stability and use the way other currencies have. It doesn't have history behind it yet. There are those of us, myself included, who want nothing to do with it until it is proven absolutely-and without-question legal for use in our countries. Just as some raise t…

In terms of credibility and association you might want to see the Senate of Canada hearing on bitcoin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM

The US Internal Revenue Service has published guidance on the treatment of bitcoin for tax purposes, and New York has passed bitcoin regulation.

Like these rules or not, in most countries bitcoin's legality is completely clear. There are some that consider it illegal, but most _explicitly_ do not.

I personally purchase almost everything with bitcoin including groceries (Amazon Fresh). I do nothing illegal with bitcoin, and I report my income and capital gains. There is no question as to my bitcoin's provenance, I purchase bitcoin from a public exchange, and keep records of these transactions as I would for stock or a large amount currency exchanges.

I do this because I like bitcoin, because it's very convenient to do these types of online transactions, and because there are essentially no transaction fees. I do not hold funds in bitcoin long for these uses (basically cash transactions), but separately I occasionally hold bitcoin for investment speculation (full disclosure I am not currently holding any bitcoin for investment). However that is unrelated to how I typically use bitcoin on a day to day basis, and I do not recommend bitcoin investment to anyone without a very high volatility tolerance (Although unlike stocks it is easy to hold very small amounts of bitcoin for the learning experience).

In other words it is a completely normal monetary/investment instrument, albeit a new and interesting technology. As for scams I have yet to hear of any bitcoin scams that are not simply cash based scams already common in existing currencies, and I see far more news these days about startups, government review, legitimate ideas for new uses and novel innovations enabled by bitcoin's technology than regarding scams.

Technology that relates to money concerns people, and rightly so. Every bitcoin user I've ever met started as a sceptic, both in terms of the technology and the concepts of money. However, these people then learned how the technology works and become more literate about how economics and monitory theory work, and only then did they start to see and accept the innovation.

The politics and morals of people associated with bitcoin are an entirely tangential discussion, and as with any group it is probably not a good idea to generalize.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by msiemens »

Fun fact: mitsuhiko also asked a fork of Tip4Commit to remove his projects. Now their page states [1]:

> This project has been disabled. It doesn't accept donation and it will not distribute tips.

> Reason: Project author request: https://github.com/sigmike/peer4commit/issues/110

On the other hand, Tip4Comment has only this notice [2]:

> Project maintainers have decided not to notify new contributors about tips and they probably don't like this way of funding.

[1]: http://prime4commit.com/projects/129

[2]: https://tip4commit.com/github/mitsuhiko/flask

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by aaronmusk »

wyager wrote: post #294
art2 wrote: post #194

What is staggering is that one would assume that this service was created with the aim of helping open source developers, but when the developers ask personally to make a reasonable change to how the site is functioning, the owners decline. So the reason the site exists is something different. I don't think it's fraud. It's probably the weird culture of the (younger) part of the Bitcoin community, for whom the Bitcoi…

Or maybe it's just a cool hackathon project using Bitcoin and the Github APIs... Seriously, what is the big deal with this? The developers are more than able to simply ignore the donations. Anyone who wasted time complaining in that Github thread could have clicked "mark as spam" in a fraction of the time and been done with it.

there are normal people on this thread ;)

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by woof »

matrix wrote: post #262
legutierr wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

readthedocs.org? How so?

I put readthedocs in the same category because they try to look like the original source of the documentation. They lift the content and style, lock stock and barrel, and then try to rank higher than the actual project's documentation pages. I have in the past, unwittingly read out-of-date documentation because it looked exactly like the source site, and I didn't pay close attention to the URL. If they were truly eth…

Keep on trollin'

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by Ologn »

joshuak wrote: post #283
Ologn wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Bitcoin does fail, a large part of the blame will be one the shoulders of so many software and IT people who make a flash decision that Bitcoin was "tulips" or a "ponzi scheme" Bitcoin is a ponzi scheme. That people think they have any value shows they have a fundamental misunderstanding of value. This group might include a lot of people, but the number of people who owned over-priced houses in 2008, or dot-com…

It is not theoretical that bitcoin holds value, that is a fact. That it shouldn't, or won't at some point in the future is the theory. Reality does not yield to arguments of the contrary.

Bitcoin has no value. It has a price, but not a value. Dutch tulip bulbs, 2008 Sacramento real estate devlopments, Pets.com stock all had prices at some point, but their value was always less than its price.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by lotsofmangos »

randallsquared wrote: post #47
jarcane wrote: post #2

Ahh yes, the classic Bitcoiner approach of attempting to drive adoption simply by giving the damn things to people whether they want them or not.

How awful! /s

Kittens are nice, but I don't think they should be automatically posted to everyone.

Not all of the time, anyway.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by krick »

art2 wrote: post #194

What is staggering is that one would assume that this service was created with the aim of helping open source developers, but when the developers ask personally to make a reasonable change to how the site is functioning, the owners decline. So the reason the site exists is something different. I don't think it's fraud. It's probably the weird culture of the (younger) part of the Bitcoin community, for whom the Bitcoi…

I don't think the second part of your comment is correct and the fact that this situation about tip4commit and discussions around it makes it to seam correct forces me to dislike it [tip4commit] even more. I mean, there isn't really "two armies" fighting each other: "old world" vs "bitcoin-ish world" with completely polar ideologies, there's no black and white. So when someone on one side is doing some ridiculous nonsense it doesn't make the other side automatically "the right one" and vice versa. Even not being part of Bitcoin community I personally think there's quite real need in "cultural revolution" of some sort, because what you are calling the "old world" isn't really "old" one as you surely understand yourself: it's quite significant part of the only world we are living in, and it is as full with nonsense as the "new, revolutionary" one.

I mean, there truly is quite a lot things that one can disagree with about the "old" world, maybe even somewhat forcefully, in "Gandhi's way" rather than "Kant's way". So when somebody associated with the "new" world behaves stupid he causes much more harm for the supporters of all kind of "cultural revolutions", because makes them look like a bunch of idiots no matter how different from each other their actual beliefs and reasoning may be.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by woof »

eof wrote: post #205

I'm really, really surprised and confused by what seems to be the overall sentiment here. This tipping project was born of a hackathon combining cryptocurrency (cool) and supporting open source projects. Awesome! Then when people started getting tipped tiny amounts it generated spam... annoying, but it was fixed. It's a bit outrageous to claim that emailing someone after they have received free money (over some thres…

It's a cool hack -but they forgot to ask for permission from the people they "collect" money for.

And when asked, they refuse to remove the code and instead spew out asshat logick...

Thanks for fucking with OSS, guys!

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by eof »

maxerickson wrote: post #241
eof wrote: post #205

I'm really, really surprised and confused by what seems to be the overall sentiment here. This tipping project was born of a hackathon combining cryptocurrency (cool) and supporting open source projects. Awesome! Then when people started getting tipped tiny amounts it generated spam... annoying, but it was fixed. It's a bit outrageous to claim that emailing someone after they have received free money (over some thres…

I guess the aspect you aren't addressing is that people feel like a listing on the site creates an association between the site and their project (quoting from the bug report I do not want to be associated with this kind of thing. ). You can disagree about whether the listing implies an association and disagree that such an association is a bad thing, but it should be clear enough that there are people who do think i…

fair. It seems 'opt-out' is fine to me though and here is why: I want to contribute to some persons tiny little 4-stars github project because it saved my ass.. it is a bit audacious for long-tail repos to be signing up to accept tips; but sometimes my long-tail tip will cross her long-tail repo.

Even more, what does mitsuhiko care if other people are getting money for contributions to his repos. If mitsuhiko is getting spam or seeing stuff in his issue queue despite opting out; that is a serious breach of ettiquite.

It doesn't seem to me this is the case though.. it's like he is angry that other people are getting emails?

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