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Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by nivla »

integraton wrote: post #297
nivla wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OR maybe Hacker News 2014: where people grew up to look past their fanboism and review a product for what it is.

Not among the microsoft fanboys, clearly, which is the entirely point. But, you know, why don't you go ahead and regurgitate a Microsoft market phrase since that apparently trumps actual facts. Note that I'm the only person who actually cited a real source with hard numbers in this discussion, and I've been the most downvoted. Go figure. I suppose we've already established that actual facts are irrelevant to you peop…

How many MS fanboys do you think there are on HN? If there were any considerable, this MS pro post like any other wouldn't get flagged off from the frontpage in less than 8 hours.

>why don't you go ahead and regurgitate a Microsoft market phrase since that apparently trumps actual facts.

What facts are your referring to? That iOS dominates the enterprise world? It may but its rarely work related, my gf and her colleagues got awarded an iPad from work (she is not a techie), the most she does is email some documents and maybe make minor excel modifications. Its shouldn't take a genius to figure out that the current versions of tablets are anything but a productivity tool. I am not going to say Surface dominates the enterprise market but more realistically no tablet dominates it yet. However on a wild guess, I believe a hybrid version of any OS on a tablet would be the future.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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nivla wrote: post #301
integraton wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not among the microsoft fanboys, clearly, which is the entirely point. But, you know, why don't you go ahead and regurgitate a Microsoft market phrase since that apparently trumps actual facts. Note that I'm the only person who actually cited a real source with hard numbers in this discussion, and I've been the most downvoted. Go figure. I suppose we've already established that actual facts are irrelevant to you peop…

How many MS fanboys do you think there are on HN? If there were any considerable, this MS pro post like any other wouldn't get flagged off from the frontpage in less than 8 hours. >why don't you go ahead and regurgitate a Microsoft market phrase since that apparently trumps actual facts. What facts are your referring to? That iOS dominates the enterprise world? It may but its rarely work related, my gf and her collea…

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Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by integraton »

nivla wrote: post #301
integraton wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not among the microsoft fanboys, clearly, which is the entirely point. But, you know, why don't you go ahead and regurgitate a Microsoft market phrase since that apparently trumps actual facts. Note that I'm the only person who actually cited a real source with hard numbers in this discussion, and I've been the most downvoted. Go figure. I suppose we've already established that actual facts are irrelevant to you peop…

How many MS fanboys do you think there are on HN? If there were any considerable, this MS pro post like any other wouldn't get flagged off from the frontpage in less than 8 hours. >why don't you go ahead and regurgitate a Microsoft market phrase since that apparently trumps actual facts. What facts are your referring to? That iOS dominates the enterprise world? It may but its rarely work related, my gf and her collea…

> It may but its rarely work related

What data do you have to support this obviously unfounded statement? Let's see:

> my gf and her colleagues ...

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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rdrdss23 wrote: post #228
themodelplumber wrote: post #126

I look at the environment in which the product was presented and it's just one no-no after another. Check out this photo: http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2014/05/20/microsoft-unveils... They've picked some awful desaturated blue/green wallpaper image that clashes with the tiles that are supposed to be so great in Windows. Then the tiles themselves have this weird whitespace issue that creates an imbalanced appearance…

I have a similar issue with the Metro color scheme. It's incredibly overstimulating. Each time I open the start menu, I feel like I just walked in to a kindergarten. I wish there was a way to make it black and white b.c applications icons are generally colored as it is (but get washed out by the tsunami of color coming at you)

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Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by Roboprog »

pjmlp wrote: post #77
sorahn wrote: post #37

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And the surface is better?

Yes, because you can switch to a full desktop mode without being constrained to a jailed mode as in iOS and Android. For example, you cannot do programming on the go, without being connected to a server that handles your development tasks.

I do programming on my android tablet. There are several IDEs, as well as the CLI/vim kit I use. The screen is a little bit small, but the Nexus 7 is a pretty capable machine: 4 core, plenty of RAM, lots of (small) pixels and solid state secondary storage.

On my (employer) corporate Win7 laptop, the virus checker sometimes lights up the hard drive continuously, making the IDE almost unusable on it. My tablet feels pretty damn snappy.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by pjmlp »

Roboprog wrote: post #305
pjmlp wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because you can switch to a full desktop mode without being constrained to a jailed mode as in iOS and Android. For example, you cannot do programming on the go, without being connected to a server that handles your development tasks.

I do programming on my android tablet. There are several IDEs, as well as the CLI/vim kit I use. The screen is a little bit small, but the Nexus 7 is a pretty capable machine: 4 core, plenty of RAM, lots of (small) pixels and solid state secondary storage. On my (employer) corporate Win7 laptop, the virus checker sometimes lights up the hard drive continuously, making the IDE almost unusable on it. My tablet feels pr…

None of the available environments is able to produce APKs that use the whole system without some server help.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by pjmlp »

gress wrote: post #260
pjmlp wrote: post #252

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How do you turn a MacBook Air into a tablet?

The whole point people are making is that tablets aren't good for work, which is why the surface is so great. So the surface has to be better than the MacBook Air for work, or better than an iPad as a tablet. Otherwise it's just a compromise that is worse at both. [edit: the downvotes are pretty indicative of the nature of this thread given that all I've done is ask valid questions to which I don't know the answer]

So to enlighten you.

With a Surface, I can go full developer mode in the desktop, while making use of, if you prefer, the old style applications.

I can detach the keyboard, switch the Metro (Modern) mode and make use of the tablet as a digital notebook thanks to pen input and handwriting recognition.

Finally, I can go put the pen aside and just use touch input.

And the ability to have a docking station made specifically for the Surface is the cherry on the top of the cake.

With a Mac Book Air, I am stuck on the classical desktop mode.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by kayoone »

ggreer wrote: post #50

That's a really nice piece of hardware. I've used MacBook Airs since 2010, but the Surface 3 looks to be strictly dominating in the hardware department. Unfortunately, I don't think Microsoft will convert many OS X devs unless they make some changes to their software. One of the advantages of OS X is that it's a Unix, and lots of Unix software runs on it. It's not hard to compile tools such as nmap, Vim, or steam loc…

Today many people run their development environments in VMs with something like vagrant. That, plus the fact that *nix utilities are available through cygwin, make the choice of OS to run your editor in pretty unimportant and more a matter of personal preference.

I still use a Mac but i don't use any OSX specific software apart from some small tools which i could easily replace on other OSes.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by kayoone »

rbanffy wrote: post #92
pjmlp wrote: post #73

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Mac OS X being UNIX compatible only matters for command line and daemons stuff, everything else is Cocoa. In terms of architecture, Windows is a VMS descendent and although there have been multiple UNIX compatibility layers, both from Microsoft and third parties, very few people really cared about it. As of Windows 8, Microsoft killed their own implementation and is pointing people to Cygwin.

> Mac OS X being UNIX compatible only matters for command line and daemons stuff Not really. It's much easier to port Unix-native applications to a Mac than it is to port them to Windows. Most of the time, everything just seamlessly compiles on OSX (even if they may need X to run). Also, being "closer" to the environment the app will actually run is a great feature.

To me that WAS true. Nowadays i don't pollute my local environment with services and servers and run all of it in project specific linux VMs (through vagrant mostly). OSX more or less only runs my editor, terminal and browser, something which Windows could also do pretty easily.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by nivla »

integraton wrote: post #303
nivla wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many MS fanboys do you think there are on HN? If there were any considerable, this MS pro post like any other wouldn't get flagged off from the frontpage in less than 8 hours. >why don't you go ahead and regurgitate a Microsoft market phrase since that apparently trumps actual facts. What facts are your referring to? That iOS dominates the enterprise world? It may but its rarely work related, my gf and her collea…

> It may but its rarely work related What data do you have to support this obviously unfounded statement? Let's see: > my gf and her colleagues ...

umm its a statement based on my observation and not a fact... I can only make an assumption on what goes around me. If you want to believe that iPad is the tablet that replaces the enterprise workload and would replace the desktops in the corporate world, then by all means be my guest to that illusion. However don't go around expecting everyone to buy into it. I think you want to live within that "fact" so its a pointless to make an argument.
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