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Re: Popcorn Time – Watch torrent movies instantly

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Post by nightski »

Zikes wrote: post #266
smokeyj wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason I think my analogy applies is because "pirating" costs cameramen nothing. You can measure their net worth before and after I pirate a movie and it will be the same. The same is not true of bumming a taxi ride.

A cameraman's salary is paid by the movie's budget, which is effectively a loan against the projected future earnings of a film. Sure the cameraman already got paid for the film you just pirated, but if said film doesn't earn enough then the studio will decide to make fewer films or go bankrupt, either of which could cost the cameraman their job and significantly reduce future earning potential.

But if the movie wasn't worth any money to said person in the first place, then maybe it isn't such a big loss. Maybe some just do not value cinema entertainment very much even though they may watch a movie.

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Post by bduerst »

hxa7241 wrote: post #80
d23 wrote: post #44

> Downloading copyrighted material may be illegal in your country. Use at your own risk. Have we seriously just stopped considering the ethical implications of such things? At least these sorts of sites used to pretend they were for things like "public domain movies" and "personal backups."

That question has been answered: we have had plenty of piracy for years now -- and do we still have plenty of film/TV/music/book production? Yes! So piracy (at least, as we have known it) is not harmful, in fact it seems almost certainly beneficial economically -- more goods are more widely available.

That's illogical. We've had bank robberies for centuries, and the finance industry is doing just fine!

You would need an alternate universe with no torrenting to server as a control for your statement.

Re: Popcorn Time – Watch torrent movies instantly

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Post by anjc »

meowface wrote: post #274
anjc wrote: post #261

How does this work? Is it downloading chunks in order from people, or just starting off doing that, then downloading the rest non-sequentially and streaming that? Is it seeding what it takes? Does it cache complete movies?

All those are answered on the website's FAQ.

Thanks.

Edit: Wait a second, none of them are answered! Unless i'm looking at a different FAQ

Re: Popcorn Time – Watch torrent movies instantly

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Post by Fando »

Blahah wrote: post #287
johndavidback wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please explain how crowd-funding a movie even makes sense? There are plenty of movies with actors I love that are terrible. Have you seen RED (or worse, RED 2)? For the same reason your boss doesn't pay you for the month you haven't worked yet, you shouldn't expect people to produce movies without any reliable way of getting paid.

My boss pays me three months in advance. And you're talking about a very new funding model. I'm not saying there are necessarily lots of examples of great movies already produced with this model. I'm saying they could easily be. A good number of projects have raised millions on kickstarter [1], including two movies [2, 3]. There's no reason the movie industry couldn't move to a pre-funding model. Or some other model…

Their model already exists and they have moved to it - movie theaters and netflix. The movie industry is nice an healthy, they make more money each year then the previous. The reason they fight against piracy is simple - they want more money. If there's a chance to get more money, why not try? In reality, piracy is negligible and is not worth the policing effort. More importantly, eliminating piracy altogether will not convert all pirates to movie goers. That's absurd! A pirate is a person who will either steal a movie or not watch it. Either way they are not paying for it. Only a small percentage of pirates will switch to paying customers in a perfect scenario. So in reality, the industry will enjoy a negligible profit increase - that's all. Considering their current ever increasing profits from year to year, the industry is booming. They only reason they are chasing after pirates is because they are driven by they greed and incorrect perception of 'opportunity cost'. They see a huge chunk of potential pie because they imagine that once they are able to police movie watching completely, then every pirate will be paying them royalties. This is of course far from the truth. Greedy and dimwitted they persist to believe that illusion. I wonder what positive effects move piracy has on the industry that the industry is benefiting from but are not aware of? Perhaps free word of mouth advertising on an enormous scale? I think more people pirate movies than pay which means that a immense audience is functioning as free word of mouth advertisers. What impact would eliminating this group have on the industry? Worth to think about.

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Post by cheez »

jacobbudin wrote: post #149
cheez wrote: post #101

I clicked "12 years a slave", a movie I have not yet had an opportunity to watch and it started streaming in less than a minute in high quality. I immediately quit the application as it should not be so easy to benefit from someone else's hard work without compensating them. Please, movie people, let me pay for this. You might kill the cinemas, but you'll still get paid.

> Please, movie people, let me pay for this. Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ICSVLPA/ref=as_li_ss_tl?... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/12-years-a-slave/id7403669... And many others: http://www.foxdigitalhd.com/12-years-a-slave Sony could not have made it any easier to get this film into your living room. (Regardless, I don't think media companies have an obligation to make their content av…

Thanks, I watched Harry Potter on iTunes too. Great point.

iTunes has won! I guess I will be watching it this weekend :)

Re: Popcorn Time – Watch torrent movies instantly

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Post by luxpir »

foobarqux wrote: post #201
kzrdude wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Convince your customers to use self-hosted analytics software instead. Of course you understand the danger of a single entity (google-analytics.com) tracking almost every website you visit. I block it with Ghostery.

Have you ever tried setting up Piwik? It's terrible software.

My opinion is different to yours.

Piwik with Nginx was easy enough to set up and provides the data I am interested in, including conversions of goals (something I was dubious about before installing). New version even more snazzy than previous.

Re: Popcorn Time – Watch torrent movies instantly

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Post by albedoa »

Zikes wrote: post #192
smokeyj wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you know walking is the leading cause of taxi cab unemployment? You should really consider the ugly nature of walking next time you decide not to cab it up. Taxis cost money, and their kids eat food.

The difference between taking a taxi and walking are significant. For your analogy to work you must alter it in one of two ways: 1. You hijack the taxi and demand the driver take you to your destination for free. This creates an equivalent or better experience for the consumer at zero or near-zero cost. 2. Instead of clicking a button and watching 12 Years a Slave, you get a crudely animated version pieced together b…

> 1. You hijack the taxi and demand the driver take you to your destination for free. This creates an equivalent or better experience for the consumer at zero or near-zero cost.

For completeness, this is true only if the consumer prefers the taxi ride over walking and considers it to be a better experience.

> 2. Instead of clicking a button and watching 12 Years a Slave, you get a crudely animated version pieced together by drawings crowdsourced from 1st grade students around the nation, and voiced entirely by Gilbert Gottfried.

A counterpoint to this is Primer ($7,000 budget, 70% RT, 7.0 IMDb): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primer_(film)

Re: Popcorn Time – Watch torrent movies instantly

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Post by meerita »

res0nat0r wrote: post #283
meerita wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite innacurate and narrow. Many movies don't make the weekend. You will see them at some stores for 1 dollar one month later. It's not the users who kill the industry. Actually, in this era more and more tv shows are made because they're a better format than movies and because they're attracting people to consume or pay services. Movies will never dissapear, only the worth making movies will make it and that task w…

The folks in the entertainment business who have seen revenue drop since the 90s when bandwidth and mp3 / video encoding became practical would disagree.

They've seen drop in dead business models. But they're winning in new areas. See the reports, with the so-called 'piracy' they're winning much more money than in the past. The problem: you want to see a number, like "he sold 20 millons cds". Well, the last sucess history (everyone can't be queen or lady gaga) is Daft Punk: they sold millions of songs by making 'good' music, or music that appealed to people.
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