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Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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post #270

I remember using images that looked almost identical to in place of an actual tag. Plus the million variations (you didn't have a real site until you have a image that matched your theme). I remember the 1x1 transparent pixel with great affection---it was the output of my first significant CGI script (in Perl, of course) that I used as a site counter. Winsock! Fuck yeah! I remember when a web page and a gopher site l…

your winsock comment made me cringe.

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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post #40

What about CGI scripts from Matt's Script Archive [1] which amazingly is still alive? [1] http://www.scriptarchive.com/

Yes yes yes! You were a webmaster based on the article posted. You were a web developer if you'd torn apart and rebuild Matt's Forum, Poll, and other widgets.

My first job title was "webmaster." Which meant dev-ops-designer-product-guy.

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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Oh God, I remember . And the tag. And I remember I made a Java applet that consumed so many resources that everyone who visited my page thought their machine had locked up. Good times.

I remember when I realized the tag supported a color attribute...it was like pulling Excalibur out of the stone.

That's such a good analogy, I'm going to shamelessly steal this.

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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Oh God, I remember . And the tag. And I remember I made a Java applet that consumed so many resources that everyone who visited my page thought their machine had locked up. Good times.

If your java applet just said hello it consumed so many resources. It took minute just to load java, what a stupid idea that was.

Not all that different from Flash, or any other container.

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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post #238

This post makes me happy :).   and 0.gif (fewer characters!) bring back memories. What I miss most was the hacky tricks you'd have to put together to get load times down on dialup. Carefully controlling the order in which things rendered. Early DHTML. Slicing layouts so that as much as humanly possible the images repeated. Tables tables tables. IFrames that talked to each other. The javascript that converted s t…

Keeping load times down on dialup. last month I hit my usage cap and was capped to 256k downstream. 256k. TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY FUCKING SIX! FIVE TIMES FASTER THAN DIALUP! I thought that's fine I can cope. The internet is highly broken at 256k. Pages basically don't ever completely load. You end up having to cancel. You end up turning off images, turning off javascript. I can't imagine what the web is like at 56k now…

Pretty much. About 5 years ago I brought my work laptop on vacation where there was only a phone line. No sweat, my laptop still had a 56k modem, and I started on a 1200 baud modem back in the day, so I was willing to be patient, or so I thought.

Once I connected it took almost 2 hours just to start Outlook.

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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> 1x1.gif let you push elements all around the page effortlessly. To this day it is the only way to vertically center elements. False, dynamic vertical centering has always been possible with tables: dynamically vertically centered This is something CSS still can't seem to do dynamically except with table-emulation, which, you know, kind of defeats the whole fucking purpose of CSS (and isn't backwards compatible anyw…

A quick google reveals this for IE8+ everything else.

http://css-tricks.com/centering-in-the-unknown/

Not terrible but still a hack. Should just be a simple way of doing this by now... Still, this technique is better than a spacer gif!

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it Floops?

Whoa! Totally! Ahh, and I see now why it would have been so hard to author - it was based on motion capture.

Yeah, I was working at a VRML startup at the time and we used Floops to test our code. I probably watched those animations thousands of times...

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vertical centering with CSS, without table emulation: http://jsfiddle.net/mBBJM/1/

IIRC that technique only works with fixed heights so it is useless for most layout scenarios, and is why I specified "dynamic" in my comment. CSS is perfectly fine for fixed size layouts but it completely sucks for dynamic ones, especially if you want to mix fixed and dynamic elements. Tables OTOH handle these layout scenarios simply, concisely and without hacks.

Fixed widths and heights....it is amazing that [as it seems] no one in the entire w3c or building the browsers know people that write applications for multiple languages, different directional settings (right-to-left vs left-to-right), and even verticalization (replacing terms within the product depending on the customer). Things that are trivial in native applications back in the early 90s still can't be done easily in 2014. Honestly, it is pathetic.
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