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If I had a choice between, say, donating $10 to OpenBSD of which only $2 goes towards OpenSSH development and letting Google take over OpenSSH, I'd take my chances with the latter. I don't see why Linux or OS X users should subsidize OpenBSD.
I'm sure Google would be able to figure out how to monetize OpenSSH.
Besides, with all their might, Google got pwned hard by NSA.
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From what I can tell the current mentality is: We don't need to accept feature requests or patches to get donors, we could just get more users and sell CDs "oh Look here's a poor idiot in the Mailing list that didn't become a UNIX expert before asking a question, let's flame the shit out of him." Alright Let's collect some money. Wanna know why? fuck you it! It just needs to be this way. Wanna help or suggest a solut…
I'm sure they have their reasons and they've already carefully thought through all of the most common suggestions. The project's been around for awhile.
>Now, If you don't realize this is the reason we try to run on the older platforms, I am sorry but you have really not tried to stay in the loop of what makes OpenBSD a vibrant ecosystem. If you aren't in the loop regarding this, then your mail comes off pretty darn preachy.
>I really love how we keep getting advice. >Anyone want to suggest we hold a bake sale?
A simple no answer would do. Or maybe just the actual reason he runs the VAX.
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You don't need a PR person; you just need someone who's not a dick.
I daresay any of their developers would quickly turn into dicks having to deal with that kind of public exposure.
Being nice to stupid people is as much of a skill as hacking up some kernel code.
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Yes, that's an important point. The Linux manpages are a joke, they're half useless almost all the time.
I wonder where the best place to report manpage bugs to is - for things like the builtin commands that may not have a single upstream. Does Ubuntu pull in a manpage update from Fedora? What about the other way around?
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from the First or Second one? Sorry, couldn't resist.
Are you working for the Mule?
> The OpenBSD project uses a lot of electricity for running the > development and build machines. A number of logistical reasons > prevents us from moving the machines to another location which might > offer space/power for free, so let's not allow the conversation to go > that way. I don't understand this comment. If the choice came down to moving versus shutting down entirely, why is moving an unacceptable answer?
I've seen a picture posted on Slashdot how they server rack looks like. There are many very old machines, I am sure that at least one reason is fear that they break during transportation. Found it: http://www.openbsd.org/images/rack2009.jpg
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> unrealistic expectation that they should know how every dime of their donation is going to be accounted for This is done routinely by both for-profit and non-profit organizations. In fact, it's done routinely by individuals like myself. > What I don't get is where people - presumably people involved in information technology - conclude that $20k/year is a lot of money to spend on electricity. Where I live, that wou…
> This is done routinely by both for-profit and non-profit organizations. I wonder if any nonprofit, ever, has given a by-the-watt power accounting of the sort some of the people here are advocating > Where I live, that would pay for the equivalent of 10-11 120-volt 20-amp circuits running at 80% capacity (per electrical code) 24/7. aka several racks of equipment. My God, the audacity of OpenBSD developers, to ask fo…
Name them, link to the comments, and explain exactly what you mean by "by-the-watt power accounting", or you're just inventing strawmen.
> several racks of equipment
The extent of the evidence we have is that there are two racks: http://www.openbsd.org/images/rack2009.jpg
There are significant gaps in the racks, and ~16U are occupied by UPSs. The rest is a mix of fairly modern and legacy gear with a few external HDDs and a few 1U pieces of network gear. In a real datacenter, it would occupy perhaps 1.5 racks.
My arguments are backed by publicly-available evidence. Yours are backed by vague assertions by people who assuredly do not need you defending them. If they wish to convince anyone, they can release further evidence.
> My God, the audacity of OpenBSD developers, to ask for help powering this stuff!
Oh look, another strawman. Nobody believes requesting aid with an electric bill is unreasonable. It is the amount being requested that is shocking, and the extreme secrecy breeds suspicion.
This may be a silly question but could they virtualise the process on EC2?
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I daresay any of their developers would quickly turn into dicks having to deal with that kind of public exposure.
And that's where disenfranchising non dev types is a real problem. Theo talks about pulling devs to make shirts and stickers and how that's a waste of time, but there are people out there that aren't kernel hackers that love to contribute to something bigger than themselves. No one's good at everything and the OpenBSD persona of being for and including only experts has made them a very lopsided organization with load…
What we can rely on it being is technologically awesome. What else can you say that about? If you try to change the culture of OpenBSD, assuming that's even possible, the quality will inevitably suffer.
Could you honestly say you'd prefer OpenBSD to be more like Ubuntu?
