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Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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sillysaurus2 wrote: post #291
credo wrote: post #269

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Ironically, this submission is at #8 even though it has 290 points and was submitted just 4 hours ago Meanwhile the #2 item was submitted 5 hours and it only has 90 points. IMO anyone who observes HN reaction to any Microsoft topic (that isn't a virulently anti-Microsoft submission) knows that these topics will get pushed down to the back pages. In some cases, the reason may be flagging, in other cases, it may be the…

Ironically, this submission is at #8 even though it has 290 points and was submitted just 4 hours ago This is a selfpost, and selfposts are automatically penalized. I.e. it's an invalid comparison, because the #2 item is a link to a URL, whereas this post isn't. Selfposts require many more votes to keep pace with URL submissions.

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Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by kbart »

I actually enjoy this Microsoft bashing. It's like seeing a former school bully, who is now living of benefits and drinking cheap beer. Microsoft totally deserves it after decades of aggression towards FOSS, unfair competition and monopolising PC business. Of course, there are also really good stuff coming from Microsoft, but that's nothing compared to the harm done.

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Post by [deleted] »

brass9 wrote: post #281
nemothekid wrote: post #194

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Define rarely? What about Webkit, LLVM, and CUPS?

> Define rarely? What about Webkit, LLVM, and CUPS? These were already established opensource technologies. Apple has improved these technologies. But LLVM, Webkit or CUPS would exist even if there was no Apple.

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Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

xgarland wrote: post #279
bad_user wrote: post #274

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People that think this community is pro-Apple should stick around some more. This is the only place were I'm constantly seeing Apple (and Google) badmouthed with good arguments. Personally I hate Apple's products and most of my anti-Apple rhetoric received up-votes. I've seen plenty of Microsoft related stories, but if Microsoft tends to be driven off the front page, maybe it's because Microsoft is totally uninterest…

Agreed. The cry for attention from the Microsoft community is becoming a bit annoying, especially on HN.

Says the new account just created :)

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by OrwellianChild »

auctiontheory wrote: post #241
OrwellianChild wrote: post #200

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So, by extension, the vast majority of Photoshop sales are due to PSD lock-in? And the vast majority of Apple sales are due to iOS lock-in? I'm seeking a distinction here. If my statements about Adobe and Apple are not true, what makes Microsoft different?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not trolling me; this has been widely discussed for years ... Apple and Adobe do not have the segment market share that Microsoft does with Office. More importantly (to me), people buy Apple and Adobe products because they want to. People buy Microsoft Office because they have to. And they feel they have to not because Office has functionality that is so unsurpassed…

Guarantee I'm not trolling. I simply disagree with your appraisal of the situation. This is the quote I have the most problem with:

"People buy Apple and Adobe products because they want to. People buy Microsoft Office because they have to."

By what possible criteria could you assert this? Each company exists in a free market with multiple competitors - the very ones that you wish people would use instead of the leaders (e.g. OpenOffice or Google Docs). Furthermore, in certain segments (like cloud-based office offerings), people are migrating in droves to Google Docs. They held between 33-50% user share in 2012 according to Gartner.* This is not the behavior of a locked-in market.

*Cite: http://rcpmag.com/articles/2013/04/23/google-apps-vs-microso...

Finally, an AT&T-style hardware infrastructure monopoly is not in play here. File formats don't lock you out of word processing any more than iOS apps keep you out of the smartphone business. They just offer a perk. I can't get every cool app on my Android phone. That doesn't mean that Apple is exerting a tax on me. It's just a selling point I have to consider.

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Post by bad_user »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #284
bad_user wrote: post #274

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People that think this community is pro-Apple should stick around some more. This is the only place were I'm constantly seeing Apple (and Google) badmouthed with good arguments. Personally I hate Apple's products and most of my anti-Apple rhetoric received up-votes. I've seen plenty of Microsoft related stories, but if Microsoft tends to be driven off the front page, maybe it's because Microsoft is totally uninterest…

Being driven off the front page due to lack of upvotes is completely different from having the article killed due to flagging or automatically for other reasons. People who think all Microsoft proponents are shills are...well, Slashdot already exists, so why do they bother hanging out here? If you aren't interested in something, don't upvote it, but please don't take a dump on it either.

I said "some Microsoft proponents", as in a couple, a loud minority, etc...

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by mwilcox »

shuzchen wrote: post #253
girvo wrote: post #186

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Well, I run Elementary on my laptop, OS X on my iMac, have an iPhone, a Nexus 7, and a BlackBerry Playbook (quite an underrated tablet for it's time). I'm a developer, and build apps for all of those devices. And you know what? WPF _is_ nice. I _liked_ Silverlight (but am frustrated that it doesn't work under Linux, though not surprised). Microsoft make _good_ developer tools, in my personal humble opinion. The probl…

I recently installed a new version of Office on my dad's machine and was shocked to see that you can start using Office pretty much right away, even while it's still installing. The more complicated features (e.g., making charts) are locked out, but will be available as those bits are streamed in. Basically it bootstraps a bare bones document reader and advanced features become available as they are downloaded. Aweso…

Microsoft are doing the same thing for Xbox One games- install them and play while extra levels/assets are downloaded. Sony are doing the same

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by Mustafabei »

A majority of power users do not particularly enjoy Microsoft products, and they have their reasons. Those are based on rational decisions i.e. lack of efficiency, support, integrity etc. "Hate" is someting different.

If you think people hate MS, ask them specifically what they do not like. Maybe THEY CAN'T EVEN GET TO SAY WHAT THEY DO NOT LIKE about the product and discomfort grows into hate?

just saying.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by skriticos2 »

pjmlp wrote: post #264
EdwardDiego wrote: post #208

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When I was trying to get into the developer game (I'm self-taught with no degree so couldn't follow the normal progression) the biggest market in my hometown was (and still is) for .NET developers. So, I joined a .NET user group, I installed VS, I started learning. Problem was, MS was churning out the "next great thing" faster than I could learn the last great thing. While I was getting my head around WinForms, WPF c…

I guess you also suffered from being a newbie into a myriad of technologies. WPF and Silverlight share almost the XAML stack with little differences. One just needs to know those differences. LINQ-to-SQL and Entity Framework are usually used together and also share common concepts. Other vendors also keep changing their stacks, it is the job of a developer to keep up with changes and learn to quickly pick up what is…

I like the Unix / OpenGL way where you start with a sensible thing and then extend it, keeping the underlying architecture somewhat consistent.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by tdsamardzhiev »

bad_user wrote: post #274
redthrowaway wrote: post #250

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Speaking of the flamewar detector, I'm curious: what's the balance to be struck between discouraging flamewars (or encouraging civility) and discouraging groupthink? If certain topics are in effect verboten due to the types of discussions they tend to breed, does that not induce a sort of hivemind effect that reinforces prevailing views? For example, if articles on Microsoft tend to get driven off the front page, whi…

People that think this community is pro-Apple should stick around some more. This is the only place were I'm constantly seeing Apple (and Google) badmouthed with good arguments. Personally I hate Apple's products and most of my anti-Apple rhetoric received up-votes. I've seen plenty of Microsoft related stories, but if Microsoft tends to be driven off the front page, maybe it's because Microsoft is totally uninterest…

While I love macs and some Google services, I think the critique Аpple and Google receives here in HN, about some annoying decisions they make, is completely justified.

So, I guess Microsoft news/posts get pushed back simply because most of the people here are not interested in them and don't want to see them. And I totally don't see how this is a problem.

Anyway, OP, either deal with it or stop posting here. In any case, please stop creating meaningless threads like this one.

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