David Cameron cracks down on online pornography • Hacker News Board

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by whatusername » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 10:25 AM UTC

harrytuttle wrote: post #73

Considering my mobile ISP (GiffGaff) thinks that the ThinkPad wiki is pornographic, I genuinely can say all this is going to do is break the internet. The last thing we need is a broken Internet here. The economy is fucked enough already. Add to that the whole is censorship right debate (it's not unless it's opt-in), the pre-crime list this generates and we're right into blatant fascism. Where do we even start at fix…

Come on. We all know the ThinkPad wiki is full of Pornographic terms: http://xkcd.com/243/

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by Dewie » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 10:28 AM UTC

confluence wrote: post #187

I'm consistently astounded at England's ability in the last couple of decades to move towards the fictional UK societies we see in 1984 and V for Vendetta . It's almost like the people have come to the exact opposite conclusion that the authors were trying to impress upon their audiences. > "Wow, censorship, totalitarianism and mass surveillance are great ideas. We really should implement them." Secondly, it is impos…

> Banning porn is like trying ban alcohol. Everyone knows that it's a vice,

Really? That's just an undisputed fact?

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by thenomad » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 10:29 AM UTC

Sven7 wrote: post #245

MichaelGG wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have kids, and I was a kid. My parents let me run quite unchecked, and at 12, a friend and I ran a BBS. This helped me learn about interactions and technology. My daughters, since they've been a couple years old, have had unrestricted access to the Internet via tablets and laptops. Quite frankly, I'm far more worried about the impact of shitty cartoons and crap Disney productions than I am them watching porn. Indee…

There are a lot of assumptions here. (1) You know (or can tell) what content your kids are exposed to on the internet. Most kids I know are quite adept at keeping what they are upto hidden from their parents and that isnt unique to the current generation. (2) Parents have a much better sense of content, kids are exposed to on TV (where content is regulated and rated for the most part) than on the internet. (3)Even if…

4) Citation? I know quite a few people working in adult industries, and I've yet to hear a single conversation about how to "addict" people.

Now, people working in the games industry are a different story... (Note: I'm not anti-games. But the games industry does consider addiction.)

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by bandushrew » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 10:33 AM UTC

Sven7 wrote: post #245

MichaelGG wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have kids, and I was a kid. My parents let me run quite unchecked, and at 12, a friend and I ran a BBS. This helped me learn about interactions and technology. My daughters, since they've been a couple years old, have had unrestricted access to the Internet via tablets and laptops. Quite frankly, I'm far more worried about the impact of shitty cartoons and crap Disney productions than I am them watching porn. Indee…

There are a lot of assumptions here. (1) You know (or can tell) what content your kids are exposed to on the internet. Most kids I know are quite adept at keeping what they are upto hidden from their parents and that isnt unique to the current generation. (2) Parents have a much better sense of content, kids are exposed to on TV (where content is regulated and rated for the most part) than on the internet. (3)Even if…

(1) I certainly kept it hidden from my parents.

Kids are remarkably good at self-censoring information that they are not ready for.

(2) I do not understand your point here.

(3) Beats me. I masturbated to porn, and still seemed to achieve reasonable expectations. Frankly, if their expectations of women are unrealistic, they will either figure that out, or fail to breed. Just like every other generation of kids.

(4) People with weaknesses will find ways to fulfill it. I can think of better things to do with the government than attempt to prevent porn addicts from finding porn on the internet.

I really do not understand your final comment. Freedom is no guarantee of equality. Life is no guarantee of equality. If your desire is to legislate away all differences between people, you are going to have a hard time.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by mcpie » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 10:33 AM UTC

flexie wrote: post #190

conroy wrote: post #12

> Every household in Britain connected to the internet will be obliged to declare whether they want to maintain access to online pornography These declarations will only be used to shame public figures once the list is leaked. > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With t…

As if Britain didn't have real problems to deal with: - Long term unemployment is at a 17 year high. - Government debt is at 90 percent of GDP. - Violent crimes is worst in EU. For years Britain has feared loosing sovereignty to the European Union. To me it seems like they should maybe worry more about American influence with all the wars they fight, the spying on their citizens and now the neo puritanism.

... because the government is one person, unable of accomplishing multiple tasks at the same time?

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by Hellenion » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 10:34 AM UTC

Tichy wrote: post #189

batiudrami wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Which I did, I'm fine. While I agree with the rest of your comment, this is a frustrating attitude to take to any studies which may have been done. Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence!

Are there any studies at all on the dangers of child exposure to porn?

I remember an article posted here on HN a while back about how researchers tried to conduct such a study but could not find a control group of people who hadn't been exposed.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by foobarbazqux » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 10:36 AM UTC

Dewie wrote: post #302

confluence wrote: post #187

I'm consistently astounded at England's ability in the last couple of decades to move towards the fictional UK societies we see in 1984 and V for Vendetta . It's almost like the people have come to the exact opposite conclusion that the authors were trying to impress upon their audiences. > "Wow, censorship, totalitarianism and mass surveillance are great ideas. We really should implement them." Secondly, it is impos…

> Banning porn is like trying ban alcohol. Everyone knows that it's a vice, Really? That's just an undisputed fact?

Some people don't know that it's a vice, because they're in denial. Have fun guessing about the tone of this message.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by eyko » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 10:40 AM UTC

pyre wrote: post #219

EarthLaunch wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you wanted to have a serious conversation about journalistic integrity, you would not begin with sarcasm and continue with condescension. That's why you didn't deserve a serious reply, and still don't. The entire thread you started is also off-topic and as worthwhile as your thoughts in it.

In your original post, you stated that it was the reader's responsibility to do the critical thinking necessary to realize that the censorship controls could be used for 'evil.' This view implies that people without the requisite critical thinking skills are irresponsible, and therefore deserve what they get[1]. [1] Couldn't think of a better way of putting it. I'm not saying that you're stating that sentiment direct…

His view also fails to acknowledge the fact that press is not either cheap propaganda / sensationalism, versus well written and researched articles. There are also well written and researched manipulative articles that even a reader with good enough critical thinking skills might be mislead by.

It's easy to blame the reader when what you read is "too good to be true" or "so obvious that it's not", but when a fabrication makes its way into a rather respected journal, or when a more or less respected author gets something unusually wrong (which you're not clever enough to spot because it's not your expertise), then one can't be blamed to have believed it in the first place.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by Dewie » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 10:57 AM UTC

foobarbazqux wrote: post #307

Dewie wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Banning porn is like trying ban alcohol. Everyone knows that it's a vice, Really? That's just an undisputed fact?

Some people don't know that it's a vice, because they're in denial. Have fun guessing about the tone of this message.

OK, so I guess it's a vice then. Good that some random person on the Internet was able to set that straight for me by just asserting it with nothing to back it up.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by foobarbazqux » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 10:59 AM UTC

Dewie wrote: post #309

foobarbazqux wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people don't know that it's a vice, because they're in denial. Have fun guessing about the tone of this message.

OK, so I guess it's a vice then. Good that some random person on the Internet was able to set that straight for me by just asserting it with nothing to back it up.

Glad that you totally got the tone of my message totally right. Maybe I didn't need to include the hint!