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Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

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Do you know anything about counter-insurgency warfare? This is a ridiculous suggestion.

Using the Lieber Code ( http://www.civilwarhome.com/liebercode.htm ), the victorious Union effectively suppressed armed resistance in the old Confederacy—including a former army of highly trained, experienced, and motivated soldiers. The 3rd St. Gang in Santa Ana is a ragtag group of dudes with pistols and the occasional submachine gun. They rule their little patch of Orange County, but they have never faced a discip…

Thats interesting reading, thanks. The problem is your scenario is still unworkable.

How would you handle the following?

A mentally ill resident wanders down the street during curfew, and is shot by a sniper. Video of the killing is distributed on the internet.

A pregnant woman dies giving birth because of the curfew and travel restrictions.

An individual-scale altercation between occupying soldiers and residents escalates. The soldiers taze or shoot some of the residents. A mob forms, and the soldiers are locally outnumbered 10 to one. Video of all of this is recorded and distributed.

African-American and Hispanic soldiers are reluctant to enforce martial law on a community that they have more visceral sympathy for.

Think of it this way -- they guys you're fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq are basically more heavily armed gangs, and even with the huge US presence and relative lack of publicity for harsh tactics they're able to melt away.

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

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After being hit by a car when I was young, that's exactly how I navigate traffic as a bicyclist/pedestrian. Traffic rules create a useful abstraction but, if you want to be safe, the only non-leaky abstraction is seeing traffic as a collection of objects moving at various speeds which can optionally change acceleration or direction based on things like traffic lights / your presence / cats running across the road aft…

After living outside the US for many years, I now play the "invisible man game" even in the US. I've taught it to my kids, too. The rules are: you imagine that you are literally invisible and find a way to cross the road that doesn't rely on the drivers' cooperation with you or the law. The drivers don't know you exist, because you are invisible. Playing that game allowed me, for example, to jump onto the hood of a c…

Excellent advice. Also especially if you are riding a motorcycle you have to pretend you are invisible.

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

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When my friends and I discuss such things I like to emphasize that even if you as a pedestrian or cyclist have the right of way but you're hit and killed your objection is invalid since you're dead.

Every time I get to an intersection I can hear my Grandma's voice telling me, "You can be right, dead right"

My family version is "The cemetery is full of people that were right"

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

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After watching police chases on TV my whole life, I really want to know: What's the logical strategy in a police chase? Just keep driving after each other? It risks the lives of hundreds living and walking in the path of the chase all for the sake of punishing 1 or 2 individuals. It just doesn't seem to add up to me. What a shame we lost someone so brilliant for nothing.

Most police chases end when the car being pursued stops.

This could be the result of a driver coming to one's senses, an erratic move resulting in a single car accident, or it could be the result of a police blockade with spikes or a PIT maneuver. The last is an example of one technique police departments employ to end police chases more safely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIT_maneuver

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

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Using the Lieber Code ( http://www.civilwarhome.com/liebercode.htm ), the victorious Union effectively suppressed armed resistance in the old Confederacy—including a former army of highly trained, experienced, and motivated soldiers. The 3rd St. Gang in Santa Ana is a ragtag group of dudes with pistols and the occasional submachine gun. They rule their little patch of Orange County, but they have never faced a discip…

Thats interesting reading, thanks. The problem is your scenario is still unworkable. How would you handle the following? A mentally ill resident wanders down the street during curfew, and is shot by a sniper. Video of the killing is distributed on the internet. A pregnant woman dies giving birth because of the curfew and travel restrictions. An individual-scale altercation between occupying soldiers and residents esc…

Send me an email (address in profile) and I'll be happy to send you an essay that explores these ideas in more detail.

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

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Cars are still often used as a sign of conspicuous consumption, especially among older people who came of age back in the "car era" (the '50s/'60s, when there was an overwhelming sense of the automobile as the "glorious future" of transportation, and before the many problems of mass car usage were clear)—and older people tend to be richer/more influential. So you get a disproportionate amount of car use by rich/influ…

There's also things like commercial deliveries, where putting a pallet on your back or trying to fit it on a bike is... unrealistic.

You'd be amazed at how much can be delivered by bike. Go to Brazil and you'll see tons of things being delivered by bike in cities, things like 5-gallon water bottles, Propane tanks, supermarket shopping, etc.

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

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I just wanted to say two things here. One, this is an incredibly damaging tragedy. I truly wish the best for the community, for the Reisse and Oculus VR family. Secondly, my father has been an officer of the law for more than 25 years -- can we please not turn a thread which is being used to inform the community at large of a tragedy as a way to defame those who wish to do good in their community. I ask out of respec…

So because your father is a cop, you don't even want people to question the actions of the cops in the story? And anyway, so what? It sounds like the gang members were the ones out of control, not the police. If the police had struck Reisse that would be different, but they didn't. But then what if the police had done something reprehensible? Nothing should be said because we need to respect your good natured father?…

No, I simply think it's wrong to, in general, generalize. I've read this thread, and see a lot of police bashing, it's wrong. My father is a good man and has done his duty to the State of Pennsylvania honorably and I don't take kindly to anyone who is not in the law enforcement field and criticizes the actions of those who are. Even more so when they're not at all involved in the situation, or the thread in question (discussion?) is intended to inform, not to inspire hate for law enforcement.

To put it bluntly Reisse was hit by an automobile by a criminal. Should the police have pursued the suspect through a crowded city the way that they did? No, however no one here was at the scene; maybe they HONESTLY believed they could end the ordeal without a lengthy chase and without the suspect getting away. That's a judgement call that every law enforcement officer deals with from time to time; with human nature telling us that we can't be correct all the time.

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

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I just wanted to say two things here. One, this is an incredibly damaging tragedy. I truly wish the best for the community, for the Reisse and Oculus VR family. Secondly, my father has been an officer of the law for more than 25 years -- can we please not turn a thread which is being used to inform the community at large of a tragedy as a way to defame those who wish to do good in their community. I ask out of respec…

I'm lost, your father was involved?

No - I was remarking that my father was a good man and police officer, and I didn't appreciate the police bashing going on in a thread on HackerNews that served to inform the public at large of a devastating blow to the tech community.

Re: Oculus Rift co-founder killed by gang trying to escape police

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Wonder if he'd have heard the sirens...

Indeed. I once saw a pedestrian step out in front of a moving police car with lights are sirens going. The walk light had just turned green. The police car had to slam on the brakes and lean on the horn to avoid hitting the idiot.

Maybe he was deaf? Otherwise, yeah, idiot...
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