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I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by LugosFergus »

voidUpdate wrote: post #271
LugosFergus wrote: post #151

Since no one is talking about it: T2 isn’t about machines taking over the world. That has happened (or will happen). But humans eventually defeat the machines. Skynet is trying to prevent that by killing John Connor. That’s what the movie is about. I suppose it’s also about John searching for a parental figure through the T800. He doesn’t get that through is foster parents and his estranged mother. Anyway, I don’t th…

I mean all of the Terminator films are essentially "Machines took over the world. John Connor will eventually defeat the machines. The leader of the machines sent a machine back in time to prevent John Connor defeating the machines"

Not exactly. Terminator Salvation didn't have time travel.

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by voidUpdate »

LugosFergus wrote: post #301
voidUpdate wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean all of the Terminator films are essentially "Machines took over the world. John Connor will eventually defeat the machines. The leader of the machines sent a machine back in time to prevent John Connor defeating the machines"

Not exactly. Terminator Salvation didn't have time travel.

You mean there are terminator films after T3?

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by NexRebular »

m463 wrote: post #15
HellDunkel wrote: post #9

How to you love this stuff so hard? I could newer love any ai generated music, book or artwork. Anything ai gemerated i have ever seem or heard was either disgustingly slop or indistinguishable from something else which was real. It‘s a like finding a cool track only to discover it‘s a lazy bootleg.

I've made ai generated art using family photos as the starting point, and it was wonderful. :)

s/I've/machine/;

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by jayd16 »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #13

At least for me, the jump in productivity has resulted in building stripped down one-off software for my highly specific use-cases. You can use an LLM to create anything but you still need to know what it is that you're building, and you need to think through how everything should work or the LLM will just fill it with sausage. You can tell that the models are still quite jagged and limited by the mixed quality from…

That's not how productivity works. Unless you're selling your one off scripts, that's not where the business sees productivity.

Can you make a connection down to the bottom line? Are your one off scripts actually impacting production speeds in a tangible way such that the product is made faster or cheaper?

Being able to crank out slicker internal tech debt for shims isn't really what the business owners are after.

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by bluefirebrand »

jurgenburgen wrote: post #293
bluefirebrand wrote: post #225

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> Can you name a product category that has truly hit a ceiling I think basically every product category has hit ceilings by now, honestly. Do you think vacuum cleaners are significantly better at vacuuming than 10 years ago? Not really. But they pivoted to doing autonomous vacuums instead. The actual vacuum tech doesn't seem like it's getting much better though? Same with a lot of appliances. Fridges aren't really be…

> Fridges aren't really better at keeping food cold than they were 30 years ago, are they? Fridges have made huge leaps in energy efficiency, they’re easily 3-4 times better at cooling your food.

That's what I'm saying though.

Energy efficiency is nice, it's a good improvement, but from an end user perspective the 30 year old fridge still keeps your food just as cold.

If you were from 2025 and got trapped in the 1970s and needed to keep some milk from going sour for a day, you wouldn't be thinking "damn if only these old 1970s fridges worked more efficiently. I could easily accomplish this goal with a modern fridge!"

The 1970s fridge would do just fine

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by jayd16 »

LugosFergus wrote: post #151

Since no one is talking about it: T2 isn’t about machines taking over the world. That has happened (or will happen). But humans eventually defeat the machines. Skynet is trying to prevent that by killing John Connor. That’s what the movie is about. I suppose it’s also about John searching for a parental figure through the T800. He doesn’t get that through is foster parents and his estranged mother. Anyway, I don’t th…

What about all the stuff about destroying the lab and preventing skynet? Is that about father issues too?

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by aanet »

I dont usually read rants, but sometimes I do. And sometimes I like 'em too.

This one is a well deserved read. and I find myself agreeing with @geohot

Even if the blog's title is "Singularity is nearer"

Re: I love LLMs, I hate hype

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Post by pphysch »

kordlessagain wrote: post #296
fragmede wrote: post #84

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Not sure why you had to add the (attempted) qualifier. He started a company and is selling a box. That makes him a merchant. How successful that venture is, is a different question, but he absolutely is a merchant in this arena.

A slight defense of any qualifiers, mine or others. I am a sole developer, who formed a "box" as you put it, to house my assets. I'm the sole director of it. That doesn't mean my box is at war with users. To be clear, a merchant is a middleman and some merchants have taken the goods produced by the builder and built a middleman moat. Cloudflare, Anthropic, and the list goes on. Geohot doesn't do this. He builds and s…

I feel like you're splitting hairs. Geohot is/was selling shovels during a gold rush, full stop.

Maybe he had a recent change of heart, but his public actions (including Elon stuff) clearly put him in the "monetize hype" camp rather than the "quietly build" camp.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

sejje wrote: post #297
dolebirchwood wrote: post #118

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> This doesn't make sense Makes perfect sense to anyone good at using these models. What doesn't make sense is that analogy. Typing prompts isn't even close to as difficult to baking bread.

Typing prompts isn't the equivalent of baking bread. Typing prompts would be like measuring ingredients.

putting ingredients into the bread maker and pressing "on"
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