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The Boeing 747 begins its final descent

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Re: The Boeing 747 begins its final descent

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Post by stouset »

GMoromisato wrote: post #87
stouset wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the justification that they are, in fact, just as safe?

I'm curious about this--wouldn't one expect more engines to be safer? Unless having more engines increases the chance of certain kinds of accidents? Like maybe the chance of an engine failure damaging the hull goes up with more engines? Not questioning the justification--I do believe it--I'm just curious about the details.

There have been zero lives and airframes lost due to independent double engine failure during trans-oceanic ETOPS.

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Post by bluefirebrand »

bigfatkitten wrote: post #281
chrisss395 wrote: post #156

I know less about the airframe differences across the -400 and -8, but I can say the 747-8 represented a major upgrade in Flight Management Software. I re-wrote the Central Maintenance System (portion inside the FMS) in C from scratch because no one had the original detailed design documents. The original -400 code was written in Pascal if I'm remembering correctly. I gleamed what I could from the source and relied o…

> Boeing (from MD originally) This class of manager is the cause of most of Boeing’s woes.

This class of manager is the cause of most of society's woes imo

This sort of person, given any power, makes everyone's life worse

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Post by pyuser583 »

chrisss395 wrote: post #156

I know less about the airframe differences across the -400 and -8, but I can say the 747-8 represented a major upgrade in Flight Management Software. I re-wrote the Central Maintenance System (portion inside the FMS) in C from scratch because no one had the original detailed design documents. The original -400 code was written in Pascal if I'm remembering correctly. I gleamed what I could from the source and relied o…

"Meeting this project deadline is more important than your child dying."

What was the context? Did someone’s child die?

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Post by chasd00 »

The very first 747 is at the flight museum in Seattle. Pretty interesting to walk through it except there’s poweredge servers in the test equipment racks in the main fuselage. Pretty sure dell wasn’t even formed when that plane was in testing hah.

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Post by jpollock »

pyuser583 wrote: post #303
chrisss395 wrote: post #156

I know less about the airframe differences across the -400 and -8, but I can say the 747-8 represented a major upgrade in Flight Management Software. I re-wrote the Central Maintenance System (portion inside the FMS) in C from scratch because no one had the original detailed design documents. The original -400 code was written in Pascal if I'm remembering correctly. I gleamed what I could from the source and relied o…

"Meeting this project deadline is more important than your child dying." What was the context? Did someone’s child die?

I wouldn't think so. Most likely using a crass phrase to instill a feeling of urgency.

Probably didn't work. Remembered though.

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Post by scrumper »

stouset wrote: post #263
KolmogorovComp wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the highest risk for dual engine failure is bird strike.

Which is not and never will be an issue for airliners transiting oceans under ETOPS.

It is at takeoff and landing, applies equally to ETOPS or otherwise.

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Post by boxed »

microgpt wrote: post #246
boxed wrote: post #234

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> constantly lies and distorts the truth sure > to promote the ideology of capital eh, no that's false. They promote the ideology of ad revenue at most, which causes audience capture, which on the left means anti-capital crazy talk like pro-theocracy, anti-growth and other weird shit.

Social media promotes ad revenue (engagement). That's why it's full of brainrot slop and outrage bait. Legacy media promotes ideologies consistent with its owners, which is why for instance it downplays bad stuff Israel does and upplays bad stuff Iran does.

> Legacy media promotes ideologies consistent with its owners, which is why for instance it downplays bad stuff Israel does and upplays bad stuff Iran does.

Partly true, but also mostly wrong. It's all about the business model. Owners doing what you say can only do so much if the business model is based on selling ads and no one gets a salary if they don't attack jews enough for their audience.

The claim that Israels bad actions are down played is pretty doubtful. I always see 10x or more negative reporting of Israel compared to what I happen to know about the conflicts. Like in Swedish media it's always "Israel attacks Lebanon" but never ever "Hizbollah attacks Israel", even though that's what happens first.

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Post by TomMasz »

I was able to fly business class in 747s to Japan back in the 90s (it was coach to Europe, though). That meant the upper deck and amenities like a sandwich and snack cart that you could just help yourself from. By the 2000s, it was coach everywhere, regardless of the plane.

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Post by pjmlp »

tetris11 wrote: post #267
nehal3m wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you replied something like 'No, meeting this project deadline is more important than YOUR child dying, to me this is a paycheck.' That's what I would've been thinking in the shower 2 days after the conversation, anyway.

I feel like people on HN who have comfortable passive incomes from stocks or other sources forget that people need a paycheck to sustain their lifestyles.

Many of us live in countries with work legislation that disallowes this kind of management.

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Post by Sweepi »

rob74 wrote: post #260

> Combining the immensity of an ocean liner and the elegance of a swan, the 747 is the only commercial jet that deserves to be called beautiful. If this article is going to be so poetic, I'm not sure I can continue reading it. Let's just stop for a moment and remember that the 747's, er, distinctive shape wasn't some designer's fancy, it was dictated by necessity: while it was being designed, Boeing feared that in th…

Also:

> In the cabin, the heft makes the plane feel almost still, even at 500 miles an hour and 35,000 feet; it is the only plane I have ever flown in whose takeoff and landing were imperceptible to the senses.

"Only"? Not "First"? Ever flown an A380?

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