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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by thwarted »

kshacker wrote: post #212
caymanjim wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to disambiguate the surprisingly rare case of two customers with the exact same name I see you have an uncommon name. My first+last are shared by about 20,000 people in the US. From 2005-2020 I was unable to check-in for airlines online or even at the kiosk at the airport. I had to wait on line for baggage check-in despite never checking a bag, and they'd take my ID into the back room and delay me for 15 minutes an…

No me, well me too but not that bad, but my wife. Sometimes in the 200x era on green card, she will always get called for secondary inspection. Oh you entered this airport on this date. How are you re-entering without going out. "Well we did not. Not traveled for a year." But you did. All bags searched, more q&a and then they let her go. A couple of times they mentioned that the other person with the same name had th…

It's rich that the cohort that sees identity verification and real names policies as necessary and meaningful also doesn't seem to understand the first thing about identity and names.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by cortesoft »

data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to.

Your overall argument makes some sense, but I would bet any money this simply is not true. Even if the US maintains some of the restrictions on export (which is in no way a given with how fickle this administration is, let alone the next administration), as LLMs advance, Fable will eventually be considered a lower tier model, and is likely to have restrictions lifted.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by dsign »

> Verification data stays between you, Persona, and Anthropic, except where we're legally required to respond to valid legal processes.

That, in conventional meaning, means an ongoing judicial investigation. But "valid legal process" very plausibly means as well "this legal order we secretly received from a branch of the government that means we shall build a dossier of every foreigner using our service and share it with the agencies". And honestly, after other recent news from Anthropic and its "lively" relationship with the concentration-camp-building-current-administration, I dread handing over id documents to them. If I see the prompt, I'll close my account and use one of the many alternatives.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by cheesecakegood »

zsoltkacsandi wrote: post #293
data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

> I'm paying for models I'll never be able to access That is very well put.

If they have a year sub, then yes I agree (even if it’s implicitly always part of the risk of buying so far in advance) but if they are month to month this position is absolutely nonsensical.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by fjsoxjdnwk »

stavros wrote: post #217
pyeri wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried one of the Kimi K2 models or the latest GLM models by z.ai? The general consensus is that they're at least at par with Claude's class.

If K2 or GLM 5.2 are on par with Opus 4.8 I'll eat my hat. They're good, but they're not that good. Deepseek V4 Pro has been better than Sonnet for me, but the only model that comes close to or surpasses Opus 4.8 is GPT-5.5.

Honestly just give it time. This stuff moves so fast next month the conversation will be different. For folks who don’t like the ID privacy issues, use Deepseek et al and it should be able to get the job done even if the experience takes a bit more wrangling.

The problem with the ID verification is that they can pair introspective conversations with ID. Either that bothers people or it doesn’t.

Main point: we can’t fret about current state models because the ID verification has future implications. Models will change and competition will catch up. Do what feels right in the long run not whether TODAYS model is better at Anthropic.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by miki123211 »

fragmede wrote: post #248
JimDabell wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I told them who I was and then failed to verify that, they don't know who I am because they think I'm lying about who I am. They know who you claim to be. It’s not like they just delete all information about you when you fail verification. They are perfectly capable of seeing that two separate accounts are both claiming to be the same person. > Otherwise what stops me DoSing Sam Altman's account by saying I'm hi…

Fun fact, if you're celebrity you get a special customer support phone number at most major corporations EG Apple because "Hi I'm Taylor Swift" gets tried a lot.

How do they get the customer support number to that celebrity?

E.G> when Taylor Swift wants to call Apple right now, how would she know what number to call?

Incidentally, https://people.com/pope-leo-was-hung-up-on-by-bank-customer-...

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

I also think this makes OpenAI and Anthropic even less viable. They're tens of billions in debt, losing money every month, have data center commitments in the hundreds of billions, and now they're reducing their market to the US? The only way this can work is with substantial government subsidies.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by miki123211 »

g42gregory wrote: post #280

Here is what I think it the game is: 1. Force KYC is US LLM providers, gleefully supported by the US LLM providers. 2. Next -> now Chinese LLM providers must use KYC in the "free market" Western world. 3. But we can's allow KYC information to go to China, can we? 4. Now Western customers can not access Chinese LLM 5. Prices go up 10x to $2,000+/month. Anthropic/OpenAI are happy.

5. Chinese providers license their models to western partners, with the Chinese running training and the westerners running inference.

It's what most western companies have to do when they want to operate in China anyway, no reason why we couldn't have a reverse system.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by lyime »

data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

You underestimate how large the US market is.
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