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US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by rsynnott »

OutOfHere wrote: post #245
parrellel wrote: post #140

Reading through the proposal Iran put out, it sounds like Trump's surrendered? 1- Permanent and immediate cessation of war on all fronts, including Lebanon - You know Israel won't let that happen 2- America's commitment not to interfere in Iran's internal affairs and to respect the sovereignty of the Islamic Republic of Iran. - No regime change 3- Complete removal of the naval blockade within 30 days - Iran gets its…

As an American citizen, I find it completely unacceptable that the US will pay $300B to rebuild a foreign country when it doesn't have funds for food and healthcare benefits for its deserving citizens. Moreover, for the longest time, Trump criticized Obama for giving $1.7B to Iran, and now he wants to give so much more.

This the trouble with randomly starting wars; the other side isn't necessarily willing to just go back to the status quo without compensation.

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Post by OutOfHere »

rsynnott wrote: post #301
OutOfHere wrote: post #245

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As an American citizen, I find it completely unacceptable that the US will pay $300B to rebuild a foreign country when it doesn't have funds for food and healthcare benefits for its deserving citizens. Moreover, for the longest time, Trump criticized Obama for giving $1.7B to Iran, and now he wants to give so much more.

This the trouble with randomly starting wars; the other side isn't necessarily willing to just go back to the status quo without compensation.

So keep the strait closed. Let the world burn, or in this case, unburn and heal by minimizing its dependency on fossil fuel.

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Post by OutOfHere »

Hikikomori wrote: post #282
OutOfHere wrote: post #245

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As an American citizen, I find it completely unacceptable that the US will pay $300B to rebuild a foreign country when it doesn't have funds for food and healthcare benefits for its deserving citizens. Moreover, for the longest time, Trump criticized Obama for giving $1.7B to Iran, and now he wants to give so much more.

How about being outraged spending even more bombing it in the first place?

Yes. Bombing was justifiable only on the nuclear sites and facilities, nowhere else.

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Post by gyanchawdhary »

bigyabai wrote: post #268
gyanchawdhary wrote: post #231

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You are theoretically right to assume this but practically this will never happen (i.e iran's nuclear ambitions) .. let me explain As Putin once quipped, "having the desire to do something is very different from having the ability to do something" .. Iran can desire as much as they like to "want" and "have" a nuclear program .. but the objective truth is that US just crushed the intellectual and philosophical source…

Your argument here is disjointed. The claims that, 1) Iran does not desire a nuclear device, and 2) The United States was justified in striking the IRGC do nothing to refute the parent. "Practically" speaking, this deal is not any more potent than the JCPOA pinkie-promise. It returns us to the status quo of hoping that Iran doesn't develop a nuclear weapon, which was the exact same flimsy flypaper logic that failed t…

ok

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Post by fatbird »

firesteelrain wrote: post #295
fatbird wrote: post #197

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The bad actors were killed, and the children of the bad actors took over. Same regime, now more firmly in control. While before, Iran's assets worldwide were frozen, they're now receiving back $25 billion of it. Also, the sanctions preventing them from selling their oil are lifted, so they now have oil revenue to expect. Additionally, the US will pay $300 billion to "reconstruct" Iran. Lastly, Iran has proved that it…

If the status quo was so great, why was Iran sitting on near-weapons-grade uranium and months from breakout? “Do nothing and hope” wasn’t a strategy. The only meaningful question is whether Iran ends up weaker and farther from a bomb than before. If yes, it’s an improvement

Iran will clearly end up much richer and thus stronger than before, with fewer international trade impediments. So Iran having a nuke is objectively much closer and more likely than before.

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Post by bhouston »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #274
rasz wrote: post #235

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other than $300B war reparations

And the 2700 (regime number) to 30,000 dead Iranians seeking freedom from Islamic religious theocracy who Trump urged to come out and told help was on the way. I hate how much we just betray people who trust us and just want freedom. We betrayed the people after the fall of the Soviet Union who trusted us and said 'OK we will join you'. We betrayed so many Afghans. We betrayed Canada and Denmark. I hate this shit. So…

Autocracy thrives when there is an enemy to point to. If Iran is integrated into the west it is likely to become less theological and more about just doing business just like China has become more capitalist oriented after Nixon detente.

So don’t give up hope. The carrot in these cases is better than the stick.

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Post by orwin »

firesteelrain wrote: post #297
orwin wrote: post #216

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The president/head of the civilian government in Iran was ousted, probably by the IRGC. The IRGC took control of the mullahs a week after the war started. They already had power over them, but the fact us that without the war, the supreme guide election would have been a difficult power struggle with political concessions. It wasn't thanks to Trump, reinforcing the IRGC control of Iran's religious life. The Iranian r…

You’re assuming internal consolidation equals increased strength. History is full of regimes that became more authoritarian precisely because they were weaker and under pressure, not because they were winning.

I think you misunderstood my point, I might express myself poorly: I totally agree with you. To quote myself:

>> The only good point about that is that it makes the regime weaker to domestic insurrections.

But it will make the regime harsher on its population, and cause more suffering.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #270
mcphage wrote: post #177

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Well, except for the tens of billions we spent, and the $324 billion we’re giving Iran, and also our ability to exert any force on the world.

don't forget, you know, all of the people who died

were they (white, male) American? then who cares! "collateral damage", carry on and keep doing God's work

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Post by tharmas »

tharmas wrote: post #262
bulbar wrote: post #208

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US just gonna trust Iran regarding their nuclear program? No trust or guessing need in that case, Iran will only pause their nuclear program, maybe not even that.

Its not about nukes. Its about controlling the oil supply to squeeze China. China controls rare earths so they can put the squeeze on the USA. To counter that USA wants to control the world's oil supply. Nordstream (Russia), Venezuela, Iran.

People voted this down without any response. Oh wow, what has happened to hacker news?
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