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AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Try here for example: https://danskebank.co.uk/personal/products/current-accounts/...

Did you read your own link? A parent has to apply for this. Parent/Legal Guardian Identity Verification To confirm your identity, we’ll ask you to take: A live selfie of yourself, and A photo of your own ID document (Valid Passport or valid UK/ROI Drivers Licence)

They may well have the account with a debit card for other reasons, like buying food, travel etc.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Suppose a drunk man on the street is acting aggressively towards you and four of your friends, but you can push him out of the way and continue walking. Should you knock his teeth out? Actually I don't know, maybe you should inflict some additional cost on behalf of potential victims with less power.

I dont understand the downvotes here, is my analogy wrong? Why?

Because an LLM is not a person, it cannot suffer.

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I want to see more operators try https://github.com/juliusbrussee/caveman How does it affect agent accuracy?

In my experience the accuracy was fine but actually reading the output was so annoying I removed it.

Had a little luck with having it do an impression of the Star Trek computer, although at the cost of having it try to insert star-trek themed hallucinations like warp engine status.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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what I'm wondering is which open source agentic platform can do multi days automated orchestrations like this without human intervention AFTER the initial prompt ?

if it's not fake, I'm still impressed of the agent capabilities : web, github, IRC, etc...

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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If a child goes through the checkout at the grocery store with cash, can the parent march in and demand a refund because "he's underage so the contract is void"? A credit card was used. Why should aws care about the details? (Other than the potential for the card to be stolen ofc.)

> If a child goes through the checkout at the grocery store with cash, can the parent march in and demand a refund because "he's underage so the contract is void"? Depends on the jurisdiction, of course. But for example in German law, the contract is not void exactly because and only if it was about daily necessities of low value - the law does, in fact, care very literally and explicitly about those details. So it's…

Can a German child buy non-essential expensive things, like a concert ticket, console, Warhammer or whatever? (Or a video game, back when those were sold in shops.)

I bought these things while a child in the UK. I'm sure Games Workshop would have offered a refund on something unopened if my parents had demanded it, but I'm fairly sure the ticket agency would not.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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> Then I imagined the real-but-unknowable chance it was all set up by some kid just getting into computers, just seeing what’s possible, getting excited by a much bigger world at reach Perhaps people like this should be called "Bot Kiddies" or "Agent Kiddies" - in a similar way to "Script Kiddies" for 'hackers' using/doing stuff they don't quite understand

I vote for Slop Kiddies or Vibe Kiddies. And yes, I think most of them are unconsciously incompetent for the task they are trying to execute. I've seen LLM being compared to calculators and I agree. They are great time savers for people who know what they do and how to achieve their goal. They even make previously impossible tasks possible. But if you don't know what is needed for a task you will be struggling to acc…

Slop Jockeys? or would that be better for people passing off AI content as their own?

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Honestly, kids (heck people below 23) shouldn't be allowed an AWS account. AWS also should have a strict cap on usage that's not "thousands of dollars". It's interesting they are yet to be regulated or sued for that. Having a web app where you can mistakenly (even without AI) click a button and get charged tens of thousands of dollars and only know that days later should have been unacceptable.

I couldn't disagree more. I was playing around with AWS when I was probably 14 years old, with a credit card from my parents with consent, and a strict budget and the understanding that if I mess up and overspend, I'm getting disciplined. I learned a lot of stuff about networking, how AWS works (VPCs, IAM, CloudWatch, etc) from trial and error, and hobby projects like personal websites (free tier), hosting a Minecraf…

The equivalent 10+ years earlier was so much lower risk: £25 or so for an old computer at a junk sale, £4.99 for a magazine with a Linux CD-ROM to avoid a week-long download.

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> strict budget How does that work in the case of AWS? Are you confusing alerts to caps?

I meant a strict budget given by my parents (and I could ask for more with justification). One of the valuable lessons I have learned is that there's no spending caps on AWS, but it taught me to set up billing alerts :)

the billing alerts DO NOT help. you may rack many thousands of $$$ before you know it.

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Chargeback sounds like trying to defraud AWS. If the parent authorises the child to use their card, then the buck should stop with the parent. AWS has done nothing wrong in allowing an account to be opened with a valid card.

Some banks make chargebacks so easy that people just click the chargeback button without trying to reach out to the vendor. I see this a lot - I work for a “vendor”.

I don't have an issue with chargebacks if the vendor has made a mistake and doesn't respond in a timely fashion, but issuing a chargeback because you let your kid play around with a card isn't responsible behaviour. (Not that I think it was a kid in this particular case)

There's also the issue that it's usually a breach of the contract to allow someone else (i.e. not named in the contract) to use your card.

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