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MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by tw1984 »

elisbce wrote: post #279
tw04 wrote: post #150

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Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

The familiar Chinese recipe for success: Always copy and imitate first, even if it is inferior, always make it cheaper or even free so that the original innovator will be burdened by brutal price competition and much bigger R&D costs and cannot keep up in the long run. Then the copycat will win in the endgame.

did you just time travelled from 2010?

show me from which country or company did the Chinese copied their EV techs, batteries, drones, robotics etc. for their military gears, show me show they copied their J-36 and J-50 fighter jets, Type-055 destroyers, YJ-21 missile and the most recent 09x sub.

time to stop living your socially isolated life and start reading stuff other than whatever fed to you by your brainwashing media.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by tw1984 »

arizen wrote: post #297
tw04 wrote: post #150

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Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

opensourcing software may enable leverage of wider network of contributors to given piece of software,hence software can evolve much more quickly and efficiently.

there is no proof of that whatsoever.

the internet is full of semi skilled "developers" who should never be developers in the first place.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by miroljub »

amunozo wrote: post #293
miroljub wrote: post #276

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And yet, MiMo and DeepSeek, even MiniMax, are way cheaper and arguably better, or way better than both Sonnet and especially Haiku. While you can argue you are ready to pay 100-1000 times the price for Fable or Opus because you need those last 1-2% of edge, there's no valid reason to keep paying the obscene amounts of money for Sonnet and Haiku when alternatives exist.

I think that the reason is that American labs only focus on their biggest models, and make the smaller ones afterthoughts distilled from the main models. I wonder what would happen if they decided to optimize and train better smaller models.

The problem is, they can't. If they offer smaller models for less money, it would eat up their premium offers.

The only way forward for American companies is to push for always bigger and more expensive models while using regulatory pressure and fear mongering (FUD) to discard price effective competition from China.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by ecshafer »

vovavili wrote: post #202
c1sc0 wrote: post #195

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Maybe these things should be utilities that can be swapped out at will and shouldn’t even be privately owned at all? Heresy, I know!

Having a five-year plan dictating which publicly owned b2b SaaS AI service you will be provisioned sure sounds like a dream of mine. I wonder what could go wrong.

Open Source comes out of Anarchist philosophy not Communist State owned type ideas. There is no direct ownership, its a project built as a common good, and owned by "the public". Its a community garden that people are free to plant and harvest as they see fit.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by Someone »

smgpie wrote: post #291
tw04 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

Yes I do think cloud providers should open source all of their platforms, and this is not charity because it is essentially the hosting that they are providing as a product. Even if, say, google open sources its whole search infrastructure, it does not at all means you can just host your own due to the huge hardware requirements, but you can know(especially after AI which can be utilized to do this) that they are not…

> because it is essentially the hosting that they are providing as a product

That would be true _if_ they were forced to open source all their code, but it isn’t today.

> Even if, say, google open sources its whole search infrastructure, it does not at all means you can just host your own due to the huge hardware requirements

You can’t but Acme Inc and other bigcorps could, and Google’s margins would evaporate overnight.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by vovavili »

ecshafer wrote: post #307
vovavili wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a five-year plan dictating which publicly owned b2b SaaS AI service you will be provisioned sure sounds like a dream of mine. I wonder what could go wrong.

Open Source comes out of Anarchist philosophy not Communist State owned type ideas. There is no direct ownership, its a project built as a common good, and owned by "the public". Its a community garden that people are free to plant and harvest as they see fit.

The concept of a common-pool resource has nothing to do with awkward radical political ideologies.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by handle584 »

spelk wrote: post #114
miroljub wrote: post #93

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Looks like they have very effective collaboration with DeepSeek and Kimi. Those three models have been bouncing ideas and sharing R&D innovation, which made all of them improve very fast. Based solely on quality and price, OpenAI, Anthropic, and other western models just can't compete with the new generation of Chinese open models.

>Looks like they have very effective collaboration with DeepSeek and Kimi. The collaboration is informal. People don’t seem to realize this, but the Chinese internet for programmers and developers today feels a lot like StackExchange in its heyday. There’s a huge emphasis on sharing knowledge, because sharing what you know builds your profile, and becoming a rockstar in a subfield is one of the only ways to get ahead…

> huge emphasis on sharing knowledge

> developer forums in China

Care to share a few such forums or websites, genuinely curious as someone who reads basic Chinese.

A decade ago, I knew there were CSDN, jvjin (may not be the correct pinyin) where people talked about tech. Nowadays they have just become SEO farms like the rest of the internet.

Actually there are very few Chinese forums left, because it is a huge hustle to run one, and the same rule applies to the comment section of any personal blogs.

Right now pretty much the only one left with a bit discussion is v2ex, but it's blocked by gfw and kinda becoming a ranting corner for programmers. Some also recommend nodeseek and a couple other new sites, where you can find shady stuff but not tech stuff. Then you have tech blogs of big corps, or personal ones, but still not many quality tech posts. There are also some on WeChat but it's kinda cumbersome to use so I stopped.

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