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Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by Grombobulous »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #294
lproven wrote: post #285

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Nobody responsible or competent is scrapping DDR5 computers yet. You can't use other speed standards of RAM in a computer designed for a faster (or slower) standard. If it needs DDR5 it can't use DDR, DDR2, DDR3, or DDR4. I don't think I've ever seen any x86 machine that could use older slower standards. You could use EDO in some FPRAM machines, and FPDRAM in EDO machines at a 15% speed penalty. You can use slightly…

Intel has released CPUs that support multiple memory standards, but it's up to motherboard manufacturers to wire them up correctly and it's one or the other not both. Boards with both slots on them have started to be released due to this current ram squeeze. e.g. ASRock's H610M COMBO board[0] has 4 DDR5 and 2 DDR4 slots [0]: https://asrock.com/MB/Intel/H610M%20COMBO/index.vn.asp#Overv...

As someone who typically buys AMD chips, these combo boards have always been so cool to me. Intel boards are often so much better than AMD.

I got around the high RAM prices by purchasing a micro center bundle deal to upgrade from my 5600X3D to a 9850X3D.

The total price was $699 for the processor, 32GB DDR5 RAM, and motherboard.

I’m not even sure how they do it. They’re basically discounting the CPU by $200 and the board and RAM by $50 each.

One theory I have is that inventory has piled up at retailers like Micro Center as consumer sales have dropped off a cliff. Perhaps consumer demand has been hurt so much that micro center’s cost basis for the RAM is still pretty low; it’s old inventory.

RAM prices have gone up but micro centers can’t magically sell their consumer ram to data centers. They are stuck selling it to consumers. So maybe they’re only willing to discount the price below market rate if you buy more stuff from them and buy in-store only. If they sold it for the old price they’d see customers coming in just to flip the memory on eBay.

I know the consumer RAM and motherboard brands are hurting and it’s only the companies producing the underlying chips that are benefiting.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by justin66 »

NavinF wrote: post #276
geerlingguy wrote: post #227

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Yeah, for those with a Micro Center, the Pi pricing is in line with MSRPs. A lot of people buy from vendors on Amazon or eBay, which do not have to stick to MSRPs, and they use those prices as "gospel". Sadly, for some people, those prices are the best they can find for a shipped product in their location, so I don't blame them.

Can you buy out their inventory, sell them for $36 online, and help everyone save a dollar, or is this the same old "Retailers treated it as a loss leader"? Amazon/eBay prices are indeed gospel. You can ship something like this across the country for <$5 so location doesn't matter unless you're talking tariffs

I'm sure Microcenter is not selling Pi Zeroes at a loss. They're an authorized retailer selling at the part's MSRP. They do sometimes make these available only in store, not online, once they sell out online and I don't think it's a mystery why a retail business would do that.

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Post by LastTrain »

ssl-3 wrote: post #237
LastTrain wrote: post #222

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Pi Zero 2 W is what people are saying is out of stock. MC doesn’t have any of them either.

There's more than one Pi Zero 2 W -- one with headers, and one without. Are you looking at both? Headerless version is out-of-stock for my nearest Microcenter (Columbus, Ohio): https://www.microcenter.com/product/643085/raspberry-pi-zero... But they say they have 25+ of the version that comes with headers: https://www.microcenter.com/product/683270/raspberry-pi-rasp...

Second link says sold out.

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Post by archerx »

annagio_ wrote: post #305

I really wanted to buy a new one, but the prices have gone up. I better find old pc's from 2000 and after, will similar job for what I'm looking.

Yea $350 is crazy, with that kind of money you can buy a new firebat style mini PC that will run circles around the raspberryPi performance wise.

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Post by LtWorf »

crest wrote: post #278
LtWorf wrote: post #274

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But no ethernet port, no GPIO, no fanless. It's comparing two completely different usecases.

I can get a (used) fanless laptop and a USB GPIO/I2C/SPI/CAN/whatever adapter for that money. Raspberry Pis started at ~$30 for a minimal configuration. They were so cheap that they killed the whole overpriced range of $100 to $200 dev boards by vendors that tried to make money of dev boards for their chips. They have to be cheap enough that tinkers leave them in their projects.

But the result is huge, you cannot 3d print a custom case for that and put it somewhere at home…

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Post by fragmede »

LtWorf wrote: post #307
crest wrote: post #278

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I can get a (used) fanless laptop and a USB GPIO/I2C/SPI/CAN/whatever adapter for that money. Raspberry Pis started at ~$30 for a minimal configuration. They were so cheap that they killed the whole overpriced range of $100 to $200 dev boards by vendors that tried to make money of dev boards for their chips. They have to be cheap enough that tinkers leave them in their projects.

But the result is huge, you cannot 3d print a custom case for that and put it somewhere at home…

Could you 3d print a case for the usb dongle and the breadboard, and then Velcro that to the laptop?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

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Post by LtWorf »

roody15 wrote: post #298
LtWorf wrote: post #272

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Except that a rpi is a device made for learning things and a Neo is a device made to be a door to a shop.

Agree, I just meant on the pricing. I like the rpi, have hads lots of fun with the rpi4 making a custom home media player. Just at this price point not sure it makes much sense for as many people to play around with.

I use two rpi4 with a touchscreen and some relays connected to gpio to control my lights, speakers, heater, and with some USB-powered speakers I have internet radio (usable also as alarm) and I can see when the bus comes and set timers for cooking. Since the USB-powered speakers emit noise when not in use, I power down the USB port entirely when they are not in use. I use openbox to start my software and have a couple of python daemons to control the relays and decide what to turn on and off. Also they don't have a battery so I'm not in need to keep an eye on something that might explode.
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