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Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by reissbaker »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #259
reissbaker wrote: post #248

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Many, many, many public policy positions; for a clear-cut example, they eventually supported SB 1047 [1] which would have banned open-sourcing any model trained with over 10^26 FLOPS (i.e. what Anthropic reportedly used to train Mythos). Their "Responsible Scaling Policy" [2] — a set of policy proposals that includes recommendations for government regulation — specifically calls out requiring "third-party controls" o…

Deeply concerning. How likely is this to become reality?

America has somehow managed to hang on to the right to encryption, despite plenty of well-heeled opponents, so it's possible to hang on to the right to open-source models. But it'll take a lot of vocal support, since there's strong incentive for Anthropic to try to cajole the government into banning competition (and they've already crossed that particular Rubicon, whereas OpenAI to my knowledge hasn't and at least still releases some open-source models like gpt-oss-120b).

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Post by gblargg »

code_duck wrote: post #256

This is the way tech companies have been dealing with perceived abuse for years, at least a decade. Instead of telling you what a problem is, they'll just say "something went wrong". Theoretically this is to prevent bad actors from learning the bounds and how to abuse a system. It is similar to shadow banning.

Sounds like this one just silently corrupts the results. It's more like when YouTube shadow deletes your comments without any notification, it's just gone after a few minutes.

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Post by jatora »

bigbadfeline wrote: post #276
solenoid0937 wrote: post #267

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Most of HN is stuck in this fantasyland where they insist their local LLM setup is comparable to Opus 4.8 or GPT 5.5. It's like a collective delusion, I've never seen anything like it.

Some of the new and open models are very capable now, The truth is, the value of the model is in the mind of the user - the big names are impressive to those who know little and are dazed by little, but they are bound to end up wrong regardless of how good the model is.

This is ridiculous. How about the rational users who use the best current model regardless of brand? The value of the model is in the quality of the output over time. I give every major model a chance. Coding and scripts in the chat are nothing compared to the power of agentic SWEEEEEEEEE. And nothing is remotely close to claude and gpt. If you're comfortable with being well behind SOTA intelligence, then good for you, but some of us prefer to be efficient with our time and resources. With your mindset, you will never truly SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Post by thewebguyd »

bigbadfeline wrote: post #299
thewebguyd wrote: post #262

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I disagree, I think being able to self-host it to some extent is very important. Personal computing democratized the means of (software) production and enabled real upward class mobility for a lot of people. The efforts happening now are threatening to completely lock up the ability to compute locally, seizing the means of production from us. That must not happen.

your parent said "You don't need to be able to self-host it", you countered with "I disagree, I think being able to self-host it to some extent" Bro, I don't know what you're disagreeing with, the two statements can and should be true at the same time. It's not only unnecessary but also impossible for everyone to self-host, for the vast majority this isn't a necessity and it shouldn't be. Actually being stuck on self…

Because "you don't need to be able to self-host it" is a constraint, I'm arguing that you DO need to be able to self host it, not that difficult. Every thing being rented out instead of available for ownership is nothing but neofeudalism, which we are rapidly spiraling into.

> pushing on it can ruin the entire enterprise.

I'm supposed to feel sorry for the trillion dollar corporations that hoovered up all of human knowledge, for profit, and are now the direct reason why 32GB of RAM is now $500 instead of $90, all while renting compute back out to us, making it more and more expensive to actually own hardware, a fundamental privilege that enabled all of this technology in the first place?

Let the "enterprise" be ruined. It'll be for the better.

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Post by jatora »

gck1 wrote: post #277
jatora wrote: post #264

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Other models arent even close except for gpt 5.5. You're dead wrong on that. You read too many benchmarks and/or chinese propaganda. There hasn't been a serious contender in agentic SWE besides OAI and anthropic for a long time, and no chinese model has even reached opus 4.5 performance yet. The moat isnt insurmountable but it is very solid for at least a 12 month lead time. Which is such an insane amount of time in…

DeepSeek 4 Pro is performing agentic SWE tasks for me quite well. It can't do everything Opus can do, but if OpenAI and Anthropic disappeared tomorrow, I'd figure out ways to make it work with harness improvements and other optimizations. Anthropic can stretch the moat all they want, but in the department of trust, they put a final nail in their coffin today. Anthropic is pure evil at this point.

'evil' lol. Every single corporation you deal with is evil then. it's greed. and almost every large model provider is guilty of it. China is all open source right now. cool! gee i wonder what would happen if they ever actually achieved SOTA? They would clamp down on that so fast Dadio's dradel would spin

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Post by skeledrew »

torben-friis wrote: post #37

They have a silent nerfing system for their models and say so openly. The obvious question is how much it is being used already. Competitor companies being nerfed? Non Americans getting worse code? Punishing and rewarding users to maximize engagement, like online games do affecting victories through matchmaking?

> Non Americans getting worse code?

This is a scary thought: tailoring quality based on user profile.

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Post by skeledrew »

mystraline wrote: post #44

I have never ever trusted "corporate ethics". Theres no ethical framework. No axioms. Its a mixture of legal, political, and public-facing 'rules'. And what are the rules? Youre not permitted to know. "We reserve the right to lie about the models we provide, silently downgrade you, and give you blatant misinformation cause you triggered our unstated rules... BUT we'll still use your token budget with lots of thinking…

Running a decent-ish LLM is going to take 64GB+ RAM. Most users only have/can afford 8 or maybe 16GB RAM. Local LLMs for doing anything significant is impractical for the many.

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Post by gorgoiler »

SwellJoe wrote: post #116
hedora wrote: post #85

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What moat? There are multiple companies providing pareto-optimal frontier models, and it takes O(10) people to build one of these things. The rest is capital intensive, and the price will approach the cost of production over time. Thinking this is a profitable endeavor is equivalent to claiming coal plants have good margins because boilers are expensive.

I think we agree? What moat? You answered yourself: "capital intensive" But, history says the supercomputer of today will fit in your pocket in a few years. They've bought up all the RAM and GPUs, which pushes the capital requirements upward for everyone else. But, they can't corner the market forever, there are too many competing interests. AMD and Intel keep making new GPUs and APUs. The memory makers can't just se…

They’ve bought up all the RAM and GPUs…

Is there an endgame where even this is considered overly complex? Instead of starving the competition by buying up all the compute, why not just buy up… all the money!? Hoover up as much investment capital as possible so that your competitors can’t get funding.

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Post by gck1 »

jatora wrote: post #306
gck1 wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DeepSeek 4 Pro is performing agentic SWE tasks for me quite well. It can't do everything Opus can do, but if OpenAI and Anthropic disappeared tomorrow, I'd figure out ways to make it work with harness improvements and other optimizations. Anthropic can stretch the moat all they want, but in the department of trust, they put a final nail in their coffin today. Anthropic is pure evil at this point.

'evil' lol. Every single corporation you deal with is evil then. it's greed. and almost every large model provider is guilty of it. China is all open source right now. cool! gee i wonder what would happen if they ever actually achieved SOTA? They would clamp down on that so fast Dadio's dradel would spin

> Every single corporation you deal with is evil then.

I don't know. If my ISP started MITMing my traffic so that they could silently rewrite packets, and/or deleting files on my computer because they thought me sharing wireless AP with my SO was me trying to compete with them, I'd call them evil.

I believe they tried something similar to the first one a few years ago in the US, and I remember people called that evil to the point where tech giants shut down their websites in protest.

> gee i wonder what would happen if they ever actually achieved SOTA? They would clamp down on that so fast Dadio's dradel would spin

Cool. Let them "achieve SOTA" and close down the models. Let the pendulum swing the other way.

You seem to not understand what China's goal is here. They want the AI bubble to burst and take your 401ks with it. And OAI/ANTs decisions are driving you towards that cliff.

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